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James Dyson Award – International and Sustainability winners announced

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Re: James Dyson Award – International and Sustainability winners announced

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Post by Theodores »

How well known is James Dyson in the US?

The reason I ask is that in the UK he is quite a polarising figure, with many people hating on him because he is a Brexiteer with all of his manufacturing now moved out of the UK to the Far East. Plus the products are not liked by all with some daring to say his vacuum cleaners are heavy, expensive and lacking in durability. Others insist on a Dyson product and won't settle for anything less.

Therefore, in the UK, winning an award with his name on it is not going to universally impress people. Plus the prize money is not that great in business terms.

So, how is James Dyson regarded internationally?

Re: James Dyson Award – International and Sustainability winners announced

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Post by cjrp »

DanBC wrote: post #27
Jugurtha wrote: post #14

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Probably, but it's one of those scenarios where the upside of early diagnosis outweighs the inconvenience of false positives, as long as the scores are way better than luck, or WebMD.

For a bunch of stuff that's simply not true. Over-testing leads to over-diagnosis which leads to over-treatment. People get treatment that causes them harm and which cannot benefit them because they don't have cancer.

I don't think the idea is that someone uses the home test and then goes straight to the hospital for chemo. It's a new test at the beginning of the diagnosis-pipeline, rather than a replacement for the existing tests.

Re: James Dyson Award – International and Sustainability winners announced

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Post by OnlyMortal »

tsherr wrote: post #29

Hard pass on a cancer testing device that stores and processes my data on the company's server or their rented cloud storage. This could be done locally with current phone or PC tech. I know "cloud" and "AI" and "machine learning" are Pavlovian signals to venture capitalists, but come on.

Yeah, it needs Hyperconverged Blockchain to “accelerate the vision”.

Re: James Dyson Award – International and Sustainability winners announced

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Post by AussieWog93 »

Theodores wrote: post #31

How well known is James Dyson in the US? The reason I ask is that in the UK he is quite a polarising figure, with many people hating on him because he is a Brexiteer with all of his manufacturing now moved out of the UK to the Far East. Plus the products are not liked by all with some daring to say his vacuum cleaners are heavy, expensive and lacking in durability. Others insist on a Dyson product and won't settle fo…

>how is James Dyson regarded internationally He's just a guy that makes (good) vaccuums.

Re: James Dyson Award – International and Sustainability winners announced

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Post by voicedYoda »

AussieWog93 wrote: post #34
Theodores wrote: post #31

How well known is James Dyson in the US? The reason I ask is that in the UK he is quite a polarising figure, with many people hating on him because he is a Brexiteer with all of his manufacturing now moved out of the UK to the Far East. Plus the products are not liked by all with some daring to say his vacuum cleaners are heavy, expensive and lacking in durability. Others insist on a Dyson product and won't settle fo…

>how is James Dyson regarded internationally He's just a guy that makes (good) vaccuums.

And hair dryers

Re: James Dyson Award – International and Sustainability winners announced

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Post by Prcmaker »

MattGaiser wrote: post #2

I feel like I keep seeing these as science fair wins and innovation award wins, but where are they in real life? Are they making it to (the biomedical equivalent of) prod?

I work for a winner of a similar type of award. The tech quite predictably went nowhere. There was an initial surge of interest and funding, all of which was squandered. Primary issues ignored while making more science fair demonstrations with deal-breaker issues of their own. It's been a ride, I'm looking for work.

Re: James Dyson Award – International and Sustainability winners announced

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Post by piker »

Many in this thread are saying there's no need to upload this information to the cloud because the transform can be performed locally on modern hardware, but that puts significant pressure on the business case. A model in the cloud is protected. Stored locally, that same model is potential shareware. If you're seeking to maximize the number of true positive diagnoses, then a viable business with low marginal costs is a better bet than an open, stagnant research model. Further, as others have noted, this information may already be stored widely in other clouds due to patient post-diagnosis search and browsing activity. Thus, adding another surface is only a linear change to the patient's privacy. Put simply, the incremental privacy change to the end user here may be worth it.

Re: James Dyson Award – International and Sustainability winners announced

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Post by DanBC »

cjrp wrote: post #32
DanBC wrote: post #27

Earlier quoted context omitted.

For a bunch of stuff that's simply not true. Over-testing leads to over-diagnosis which leads to over-treatment. People get treatment that causes them harm and which cannot benefit them because they don't have cancer.

I don't think the idea is that someone uses the home test and then goes straight to the hospital for chemo. It's a new test at the beginning of the diagnosis-pipeline, rather than a replacement for the existing tests.

Sure, but there are people in this thread who think that testing can never be harmful and can never put people on a pathway to harm.

PSA testing is similar: you don't go direct to treatment after PSA testing, yet we know that PSA screening does cause over-treatment.

Re: James Dyson Award – International and Sustainability winners announced

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Post by Jugurtha »

DanBC wrote: post #38
cjrp wrote: post #32

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I don't think the idea is that someone uses the home test and then goes straight to the hospital for chemo. It's a new test at the beginning of the diagnosis-pipeline, rather than a replacement for the existing tests.

Sure, but there are people in this thread who think that testing can never be harmful and can never put people on a pathway to harm. PSA testing is similar: you don't go direct to treatment after PSA testing, yet we know that PSA screening does cause over-treatment.

>Sure, but there are people in this thread who think that testing can never be harmful and can never put people on a pathway to harm.

Can you be more specific as to which comment claims that? Given that you're replying to a comment I've made which did not make those claims.

Re: James Dyson Award – International and Sustainability winners announced

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Post by peteradio »

yread wrote: post #11
manmal wrote: post #6

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Reading „cloud“ and „cancer test“ in the same article gives me the shivers. This is arguably one of the most sensitive pieces of information one can own about a person. The NN could just run in the app, recent phones are heavily optimized for this anyway.

Is it really that scary? In countries with sane laws and/or universal health care you can shout about your cancer diagnosis from the rooftops.

Now imagine you live in a country without sane (or sanely enforced) protective laws _OR_ universal healthcare!
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