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Spring-powered wheel claims to be ‘E-bike alternative at lower cost’

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#11
> The action/reaction force caused by weight compresses the springs in the upper section of the wheel and decompresses in the lower section. Using the centre as the pivot, this converts energy and reduces the frictional force in the opposite direction and facilitates the rotation. Using 10kg active weight, the mechanism is shown to generate a moment ranging from 7.3Nm to 7.8Nm.”

So perpetual motion machine?

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#12
post #7

Would love to hear the opinions of some actual mechanical engineers. Can these springs really passively get you +30% efficiency? What about weight? Cyclists are obsessive about reducing rotating mass, and these wheels seem to be seriously chunky. Is this actually a thing that could work?

Yeah, not many cyclists would add 10kg to their bike, typically resulting in doubling the bike weight.

Re: Spring-powered wheel claims to be ‘E-bike alternative at lower cost’

#13
So if I understand this correctly, it uses the downwards force on the wheel when pushing down on the pedals and converts that into rotational force on the wheel.

Now, because of that annoying thing called conservation of energy, this means that you'll have to put this energy into the system by pushing down harder. I guess this translates to a feeling of sitting on a spring. That doesn't sound like very efficient pedalling.

Re: Spring-powered wheel claims to be ‘E-bike alternative at lower cost’

#15
post #11

> The action/reaction force caused by weight compresses the springs in the upper section of the wheel and decompresses in the lower section. Using the centre as the pivot, this converts energy and reduces the frictional force in the opposite direction and facilitates the rotation. Using 10kg active weight, the mechanism is shown to generate a moment ranging from 7.3Nm to 7.8Nm.” So perpetual motion machine?

Probably not. It seems the energy comes from you lifting yourself up whenever you push down on the pedals. With this thing it'll just be a bit harder to do that.

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#16
I have trouble making sense of this. What is the mechanism at work here[0]? Is it maybe storing energy that otherwise would be lost (e.g. from shocks, jerks, up and down motion of bike and biker while pedalling?) in the springs to convert it into useful motion, like the Achilles tendon helps humans to walk more efficiently [1]?

Being a physicist, the name of the tech ("Weight (Mass) to energy Conversion Technology" [2]) triggered my BS detector pretty hard but I would like to give them the benefit of doubt.

They have a Twitter page with lots of close-up images of the wheel [3]. There is one with a sketch of forces at [4] which might give insight into their reasoning (which does not necessarily mean that it is correct).

[0] https://www.superwheelsystem.com/how-super-wheel-works/

[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Achilles_tendon#Other_animals

[2] https://www.superwheelsystem.com/

[3] https://twitter.com/thesuperwheel/

[4] https://twitter.com/thesuperwheel/status/1275715365570588672...

Re: Spring-powered wheel claims to be ‘E-bike alternative at lower cost’

#18
post #7

Would love to hear the opinions of some actual mechanical engineers. Can these springs really passively get you +30% efficiency? What about weight? Cyclists are obsessive about reducing rotating mass, and these wheels seem to be seriously chunky. Is this actually a thing that could work?

I mean, TANSTAAFL, right? Does this store some energy when you slow down to release it when you start up again? That would somewhat flatten the energy expenditure curve, which may be a bit more efficient. It would imply that lifting the wheel after you've stopped releases that amount of energy (it seems to do so).

Re: Spring-powered wheel claims to be ‘E-bike alternative at lower cost’

#19
Initially I thought this was some kind of mechanical regenerative braking. I wonder if that's been attempted before.

Applying the brakes would wind a spring and bring the bike to a stop. Then applying force to the pedals or manually pulling a lever would release the spring for an assisted start.

Edit: Here's some mechanical regenerative braking projects:

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=yK7fyugbe6o

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=DoaJK39Tl60

Electrical regen is probably cheaper and lighter.

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