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YouTube will now show ads on all videos even if creators don’t want them

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I'm far from being a communist but I disagree with you. You have a third option in this case, block the ads. If it's possible to block ads, it's a minor weakness in YouTube's business model - which, don't get me wrong, it's a pretty good model for generating revenue with a relative small team (given it generates 5bln$ in revenue). If YouTube wouldn't allow users blocking ads it wouldn't be as popular. In the same way…

Sorry, I forgot the anarchists ;)

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shrug These were the prices before YouTube really became big and were still the prices after they became big. I've worked in video streamin industry in years and I haven't seen YouTube be the fault of the high costs. It mostly comes from the fact that videos are large, they need a lot of CPU power to convert and need a lot of bandwidth to transmit to clients.

There was a time when downloading movies took hours, or even days. Nowadays, you can stream via popcorn time for basically free¹. As for CPU, storage - I don't think 10+ different formats at extreme compression are a hard requirement. Youtube ads are good, as people will have incentive to use peertube and similar. ¹ You need some seeds, but they don't need Tbps pipes.

>There was a time when downloading movies took hours, or even days. Nowadays, you can stream via popcorn time for basically free¹.

And a willingness to steal...

Re: YouTube will now show ads on all videos even if creators don’t want them

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I know there are several content creators (such as Jim Sterling) that have their videos ad-free as a perk for their supporters (since he's supported enough via Patreon). He's pretty angry about this change. I somewhat understand Google's stance on this, as it's a service that should be allowed to make money even on people who don't want to make money. They don't really have such a way to opt out of pretty much any ot…

This sounds like a pretty straightforward cause & effect here. Creators went for direct monetization outside of youtube instead of ads, and youtube responded by keeping their net income the same by just showing ads anyway. > But at the same time, there are people who have so heavily invested into the YouTube ecosystem with certain expectations for a very long time, and pretty much have their entire business on there,…

"Creators" went for direct monetisation because de-monetisation can happen on youtube for almost any arbitrary reason and there is almost no way to contact a human (as far as I am aware) to remedy such a situation.

Re: YouTube will now show ads on all videos even if creators don’t want them

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There was a time when downloading movies took hours, or even days. Nowadays, you can stream via popcorn time for basically free¹. As for CPU, storage - I don't think 10+ different formats at extreme compression are a hard requirement. Youtube ads are good, as people will have incentive to use peertube and similar. ¹ You need some seeds, but they don't need Tbps pipes.

>There was a time when downloading movies took hours, or even days. Nowadays, you can stream via popcorn time for basically free¹. And a willingness to steal...

Copyright infringement isn't theft.

Re: YouTube will now show ads on all videos even if creators don’t want them

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A clever, and decidedly evil, move on Google's part.

Showing ads on content produced by creators who aren't a part of the partners program, means they get to pocket the full ad revenue.

There is already not enough ad money to go around, hence the Adpocalypse a few years back.

Now Google is skimming even more of the cream.

This is a company which deserves to lose, and I, for one, can't wait.

Re: YouTube will now show ads on all videos even if creators don’t want them

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As a content consumer I see this as a positive thing for me. A few months ago when YouTube decided to auto-add ads on all videos, my watch time on YouTube decreased by more than 50% since I consume all video content on either my phone or my tablet (where I don't have access to AdBlock), and I find the amount of ads I have to go through to watch a video so annoying that I'd rather not watch it at all. As a result I sp…

Use NewPipe on Android to avoid ads

Sadly their new UI is unusable on Android TV (nvidia Shield)

Re: YouTube will now show ads on all videos even if creators don’t want them

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This was my first thought as well. Both coursera and audiobooks are not free or ad-supported. Would these paid alternatives be as attractive if they had ad-supported options? I watch more youtube than any other video platform and I am happy to pay the $13/month to be ad free. Is it a sustainable business model? That’s for the bean counters at Alphabet to know. For now, I am content.

Until they decide to show you ads, anyway?

Damn, that's a strawman I haven't seen before. How about we discuss it when it happens, not before?

Re: YouTube will now show ads on all videos even if creators don’t want them

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It is superficially sad, but as you point out the 2nd order effects are really positive. Google has really done us all a favor by being actually more authentic: they're saying "We're an Advertising company ." (the period is said out loud). They are a tech company insofar as it serves their ad business. They're not a general tech company, and they have no interests or pursuits in anything else unless it is to develop…

YouTube premium gets rid of all the ads, unless creators have embedded them in the video. There is lots of good content for toddlers on YouTube, but it is unwatchable with ads. I watch more myself now all the ads are gone, plus you get youtube music, not as good as spotify but good enough.

Vanced YouTube also gets of rid all the ads and doesn't involve giving money to Google.

Oh, and of course uBlock Origin works fine on proper computers too.

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FYI, YouTube Music received almost every feature of Google Play Music except the app design. An in-depth review of the two can be found over here: https://www.androidpolice.com/2020/10/24/google-play-music-t... Personally I wish all these music streaming services could agree on metadata sharing such that I could enable apps like last.fm to review listening history across every service, and offer my listening history…

Youtube Music's handling of my uploaded music is really poor compared to GPM (sectioned off from everything else), so that alone was enough to make me dump my subscription when GPM was shut down. Now I run my own Plex server on a Raspberry Pi with an external drive and get a better experience than I had before, minus discovery.

I actually prefer the way YTM segments my uploads from the general catalog, as it gives me some possibly unfounded confidence in the idea that I'm going to be listening to the edition I expect, and not something like a 20th anniversary re-release with 15 extra tracks. GPM has this really bad problem where their treatment of my uploads was seriously broken and I would see, just as one example, multiple copies of every track on one album. I don't see this since the YTM conversion.

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I do this. Its not cheap (12$ month), but it comes with "youtube music", which I'm starting to use a bit. like all things google, its a little difficult to figure out exactly what is going on.

> Its not cheap (12$ month) How much is a cinema ticket these days?

I pay for Youtube premium and that's not a comparison I had even considered.

The ad supported web has led to so many people feeling entitled to consume content for free. People have gone so far to feel that the ads themselves are the problem, without realizing that without them, you would have to begin to pay the real cost of the service.

Funny how so many people find watching a single movie (lets say you watch cheap, $8) for two hours acceptable, but unlimited access to billions of hours of content for $10 is unacceptable.

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