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Re: 16-inch MBP 2x slower than M1 MacBook Air in a real-world Rust compile

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I think another shock here is that a lot of people discredited the ability of ARM cpus as well. Back when the iPad Pro with the A10X came out, Apple claimed it was faster than half of all Laptops sold and people in the PC space were yamming on and on about how numbers don't show how much better x86 cpus are at 'desktop stuff' and that ARM cpus can't equal x86, even with the same thermal envelope and shouldn't ever be…

>people in the PC space were yamming on and on about how numbers don't show how much better x86 cpus are at 'desktop stuff' and that ARM cpus can't equal x86, even with the same thermal envelope and shouldn't ever be compared. It needs 30W at 4 cores 3.2Ghz. Ryzen needs around 5W per core but it's on a worse process. The entire system does use less power than a x86 system but that has nothing to do with the processor…

As far as we know, all four large cores at max plus the 4 small is ~20W. Whole chip max power use is 30W including GPU and the ML processor. Ryzen also blows a lot of power on things other than cores but AMD is absolutely the closest to this however. The hard thing for them is that the Big/Little arch is a huge advantage for battery use at idle. I would say the game being played here is that Apple is betting on this to scale all the way up for fast burst but they know that the real advantage is that their cores can also scale much much lower than anything out there. Less about magical performance gains and more about remarkable power use paired with much better power management lessons learned by making smartphones. Qualcomm could do this too if they actually cared about it.

Re: 16-inch MBP 2x slower than M1 MacBook Air in a real-world Rust compile

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Yeah? And how are they looking today?

I don't know but the fact that Windows on ARM is completely locked down and only lets you install applications from the Microsoft Store made me abandon Windows as a platform for good.

It hasn't been locked down for a while now.

Re: 16-inch MBP 2x slower than M1 MacBook Air in a real-world Rust compile

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So in 2060 it will still be a huge company with $20B in revenue?

Yeah. When I'm guessing how long something will last, I guess it's about halfway through its life unless I have really good information to the contrary. Intel was founded in 1968, so let's say it will shut down in 2072 (give or take...many...years). And Fortune 500 companies don't seem to totally shrink back to startup head count and revenue even when they go bankrupt—they might have significant revenue but even more…

> When I'm guessing how long something will last, I guess it's about halfway through its life

That is called Lindy effect: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lindy_effect

Re: 16-inch MBP 2x slower than M1 MacBook Air in a real-world Rust compile

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Wow, downvoted by apple fanboi shitheads, without a single reply with any good counter arguments. "Hackernews" is a real dumpster fire, even worse than reddit.

If you continue to degrade the quality of this site even further, we will have to ban your account. We've asked you about this more than once already. https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html

Where have you asked me more than once? Please point me to that. If so, then I'm sorry, but I don't remember being told anything like that before this comment.

Re: 16-inch MBP 2x slower than M1 MacBook Air in a real-world Rust compile

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I agree with you completely. I am looking forward to the next offering and hope that they have a plan for more memory. In the meantime I wonder if they are going to do dual (or more) socket configurations. I was just thinking to myself imagine a Mac Pro with 8 of these M1 chips in it all cooled by one big liquid heat block. That thing would rip.

> hope that they have a plan for more memory. I can't imagine them not doing it. If they were satisfied that 16GB was sufficient, I would've expected them to also refresh the 16" MBP with M1. I think the fact that they didn't is a good indicator that something about M1 isn't ready for the big boy league, and my guess is RAM will factor into that. My guess is that the second generation (M2?) will improve performance w…

(This should be a reply to an older comment of yours and I realise it's probably bad form to be posting it here, but I couldn't find any other way to contact you)

A few weeks ago you made a comment (https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=24653498) where you mentioned a PL Discord server. Could I get an invite? I can be reached through aa.santos at campus.fct.unl.pt if you'd rather not discuss it in public/if you'd like to verify my identity.

Sorry to everyone else in the thread for being off-topic.

Re: 16-inch MBP 2x slower than M1 MacBook Air in a real-world Rust compile

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If you continue to degrade the quality of this site even further, we will have to ban your account. We've asked you about this more than once already. https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html

Where have you asked me more than once? Please point me to that. If so, then I'm sorry, but I don't remember being told anything like that before this comment.

It was here: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=24475231

Sorry I said "more than once" — I didn't notice those two comments were in the same thread.

Re: 16-inch MBP 2x slower than M1 MacBook Air in a real-world Rust compile

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> hope that they have a plan for more memory. I can't imagine them not doing it. If they were satisfied that 16GB was sufficient, I would've expected them to also refresh the 16" MBP with M1. I think the fact that they didn't is a good indicator that something about M1 isn't ready for the big boy league, and my guess is RAM will factor into that. My guess is that the second generation (M2?) will improve performance w…

(This should be a reply to an older comment of yours and I realise it's probably bad form to be posting it here, but I couldn't find any other way to contact you) A few weeks ago you made a comment ( https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=24653498 ) where you mentioned a PL Discord server. Could I get an invite? I can be reached through aa.santos at campus.fct.unl.pt if you'd rather not discuss it in public/if you'd li…

Hello! Yes, HN's lack of notifications really poses a problem in situations like this. Sigh.

However, the answer to your question is fortunately a simple one: the Discord server mentioned is run by the /r/ProgrammingLanguages community over on Reddit [0]! If you go to that page (might need to be on a desktop browser because ugh) and look in the sidebar/do a search for "Discord server", you'll find a stable invite link.

Alternatively, I can just provide you with the current link [1] and note that it may not work forever (for anybody who finds this comment in the future).

[0] https://www.reddit.com/r/programminglanguages/

[1] https://discord.gg/yqWzmkV

Re: 16-inch MBP 2x slower than M1 MacBook Air in a real-world Rust compile

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post #527

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Where have you asked me more than once? Please point me to that. If so, then I'm sorry, but I don't remember being told anything like that before this comment.

It was here: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=24475231 Sorry I said "more than once" — I didn't notice those two comments were in the same thread.

It's pretty amazing to me that you consider that comment "mean". How do you ever interact with the world if such a benign comment is considered "mean"? I'm serious, I just can't understand how that comment is "mean". Please try to explain it, because it makes no sense to me. Is any criticism at all considered "mean" now? Can anyone point out flaws in someone else's comment or post without being called "mean"?
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