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Re: Beirut Port Explosion

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Post by mcdevilkiller »

yyyk wrote: post #71

This investigation ignores a key question: How many kg of ammonium nitrate was actually in the warehouse. Surely that's extremely important to the models. They only mention an mtv news report mentioning the stated figure of 2750t. That figure comes from the ship's documents. Yet there are estimates that suggest the actual explosion is only equivalent to 1000-1500t[0], or 700-1000t[1]. If the actual amount of nitrate…

Tonnes of TNT. In this case, a kiloton, or one and a half. That's the standard for measuring explosions.

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Post by ROARosen »

zitterbewegung wrote: post #68
bredren wrote: post #26

In the past this kind of material would be collected and analyzed by state intelligence services. Combined by allies and used to gain leverage for individual or combined strategic priorities. Something like, “Here is how negligent you were. Install this person in power or we leak this and your people revolt and you won’t be able to walk away.” More recently, it seems, some news organizations have begun assembling rep…

I know where you are coming from but you are missing one big thing. Inherently in all observations coming from a newspaper, to a research paper and to an intelligence agency the reporting will be biased. What you have to do instead is to figure out what the bias is from that source of information and then combine the other sources to attempt to understand the outcome. The second thing is to remove your own inherent b…

Idea: Commission them to investigate themselves and their source of funding so now you are the supporter

Re: Beirut Port Explosion

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Post by baq »

The video was absolutely amazing. I’ve watched it at 1x speed and don’t feel like I wasted a single second of my life. This used to happen approximately never with videos.

Re: Beirut Port Explosion

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Post by InitialLastName »

ryandrake wrote: post #64
oyashirochama wrote: post #52

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I mean it will, just socially and financially.

Sorry, as someone who doesn't use Facebook, how does Facebook have the power make me disappear, socially and financially?

I think the argument is that, should Facebook use become pervasive enough that the bulk of interaction, be it social or financial happens there, you have already disappeared by nature of not using it.

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Post by zapdrive »

notrealpersonq wrote: post #75
netsharc wrote: post #70

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Why does one video have to answer every question and entertain every theory? (Should it also answer my question if John McClane was seen at the scene?). It's a video showing a 3D model/timeline from publicly released videos. If I claim "my friends saw Aladdin flying on his magic carpet before the explosion" but there's no video/photo of this claim, they can't use that claim for their reconstruction. And they're not g…

Are you for real? I swear you have to be trolling. There are several videos showing flying objects and several people reporting that jets were flying. Again, Israeli jets flying over Lebanon is a normal occurrence and could be absolutely nothing. I will say it again, there exists SEVERAL different videos that show this. This is why I expected them to at least mention this. Also the ammonium nitrate was not confiscate…

You have mentioned videos of flying jets like 8 times but have failed to link to then even once.

Re: Beirut Port Explosion

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Post by Eduard »

notrealpersonq wrote: post #75
netsharc wrote: post #70

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Why does one video have to answer every question and entertain every theory? (Should it also answer my question if John McClane was seen at the scene?). It's a video showing a 3D model/timeline from publicly released videos. If I claim "my friends saw Aladdin flying on his magic carpet before the explosion" but there's no video/photo of this claim, they can't use that claim for their reconstruction. And they're not g…

Are you for real? I swear you have to be trolling. There are several videos showing flying objects and several people reporting that jets were flying. Again, Israeli jets flying over Lebanon is a normal occurrence and could be absolutely nothing. I will say it again, there exists SEVERAL different videos that show this. This is why I expected them to at least mention this. Also the ammonium nitrate was not confiscate…

> There are several videos showing flying objects and several people reporting that jets were flying. [...] I will say it again, there exists SEVERAL different videos that show this.

Where are these videos?

Re: Beirut Port Explosion

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Post by knowaveragejoe »

kqvamxurcagg wrote: post #2

This is incredible and I can only imagine how much time this took to create. Definitely also worth taking a look at their previous investigations at https://forensic-architecture.org/ .

Their archive of police brutality during the BLM protests this summer is presented in an interesting fashion:

https://blmprotests.forensic-architecture.org/

Re: Beirut Port Explosion

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Post by ziptron »

I spent many years as a forensic engineer. In my career we worked on several high profile cases but none were ever presented as well as this one. Kudos to this team!

Re: Beirut Port Explosion

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Post by mlindner »

spurgu wrote: post #89
merpnderp wrote: post #63

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You've reduced this to only two possible positions: support the police or don't support them. How polarizing is that? What about supporting the need for police while also supporting a need for reforming the police? I doubt there are even many cops that would disagree with a need for reform to some degree. But creating two extreme positions, and then lumping everyone into those positions, is called politics and is con…

> But creating two extreme positions, and then lumping everyone into those positions, is called politics American politics. The amount of bipartisan countries in the world can be counted on one hand. But I get what you're saying and I agree completely.

America is certainly not the only country that divides things into "us vs them". I can think of several notable events in the past few years in various European countries that were exactly "us vs them" subjects. Even when there are multiple political parties in European politics the parties still tend to split into one of two major coalitions and those coalitions cause the people who support people in those coalitions to also divide.

Re: Beirut Port Explosion

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Post by notsureaboutpg »

maeln wrote: post #32
bkmrkr wrote: post #25

Earlier quoted context omitted.

https://www.jpost.com/international/is-hezbollahs-ammonium-n...

Nowhere it is said in the article that the Hezbollah is responsible for the presence of the ammonium nitrate. Yes they did use it in the past, like almost all terrorist organization/militia, but there is no evidence that they had anything to do with its storage in the port. The AlJazeera article explain very well how it came here. Rumours of the responsibility of the Hezbollah, or Israel depending on which side of th…

Why always no one has sympathy for Hezbollah and yet people are divided on whether they have sympathy for Israel or not?

They both have grievances against each other and both are set to exterminate the other. The USA picks sides but we don't have to. And I don't care if they say insensitive things or whatever. War is way bigger than words and both of them commit atrocities, that much is obvious. Both of them can also see history from a certain perspective and justify themselves, and I can see that in both cases also.

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