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Re: Beirut Port Explosion

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Post by andreasley »

beernutz wrote: post #57
andreasley wrote: post #54

Earlier quoted context omitted.

While not directly assembled by state intelligence services, some of today's "independent" reports surely are supported or financed by them. I'm not saying this one is, but verifying the independence and financing of any organisation is quite hard. A lot of work has gone into this fantastic presentation, and somebody had to pay for that. Since I watched it for free, it wasn't me...

The funding link works. I suspect there was just a typo in the other posters link: https://forensic-architecture.org/about/funding

Thanks; I followed a broken link on the About page. Just sent them an email about it.

Re: Beirut Port Explosion

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Post by merpnderp »

pjc50 wrote: post #44
bredren wrote: post #26

In the past this kind of material would be collected and analyzed by state intelligence services. Combined by allies and used to gain leverage for individual or combined strategic priorities. Something like, “Here is how negligent you were. Install this person in power or we leak this and your people revolt and you won’t be able to walk away.” More recently, it seems, some news organizations have begun assembling rep…

OSINT is certainly a thing, but there's a parallel development in shamelessness and polarization so that accurate reporting of the real history of events makes much less difference. Are there that many people whose support of the police will be shaken by the NYT report, or is the support of the police a matter of political affiliation that leads them to dismiss it as "biased"?

You've reduced this to only two possible positions: support the police or don't support them. How polarizing is that?

What about supporting the need for police while also supporting a need for reforming the police? I doubt there are even many cops that would disagree with a need for reform to some degree.

But creating two extreme positions, and then lumping everyone into those positions, is called politics and is considered mostly harmful.

Re: Beirut Port Explosion

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Post by ryandrake »

oyashirochama wrote: post #52
emteycz wrote: post #50

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Definitely better. Facebook won't make you disappear.

I mean it will, just socially and financially.

Sorry, as someone who doesn't use Facebook, how does Facebook have the power make me disappear, socially and financially?

Re: Beirut Port Explosion

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Post by sharken »

gadders wrote: post #21

I thought it was bad enough to store that much potential explosive, but to put it with fireworks and detonation cord as well...

Yeah, this is 6 years of negligence and incompetence.

Here is an account on the fireworks present in the warehouse:

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/aug/07/beirut-explosi...

And yet it looks like things are still bad around Beirut port:

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-lebanon-crisis-fire-tyres...

https://amp.dw.com/en/beirut-port-fire/a-54881149

Re: Beirut Port Explosion

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Post by zitterbewegung »

bredren wrote: post #26

In the past this kind of material would be collected and analyzed by state intelligence services. Combined by allies and used to gain leverage for individual or combined strategic priorities. Something like, “Here is how negligent you were. Install this person in power or we leak this and your people revolt and you won’t be able to walk away.” More recently, it seems, some news organizations have begun assembling rep…

I know where you are coming from but you are missing one big thing. Inherently in all observations coming from a newspaper, to a research paper and to an intelligence agency the reporting will be biased. What you have to do instead is to figure out what the bias is from that source of information and then combine the other sources to attempt to understand the outcome. The second thing is to remove your own inherent bias.

Re: Beirut Port Explosion

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Post by notrealpersonq »

netsharc wrote: post #58
notrealpersonq wrote: post #41

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From what I remember, the welders did their job and left, then the fire started later. Also, they never question why 2 tons of unclaimed ammonium nitrate was just sitting in the warehouse for 5-6 years. This stuff is expensive yet no one was trying to get it back. They never touched those controversial parts of the explosion: -jets -was the fire intentional? -what was it doing there to begin with

They also didn't investigate reports of John McClane (of the Die Hard movie fame) tossing a cigarette into the warehouse, backwards while walking away, a few minutes before the explosion... I'm unsatisfied that they didn't entertain my conspiracy theory! /s If you actually informed yourself properly about this explosion (instead of reading -- I'm going to assume -- conspiracy websites), why the whole thing was sittin…

I'm Lebanese myself and I did inform myself don't worry about me. I also talked to real people affected by the blast and claim they saw Jets as well. I would have loved it if the vid had tackled this and debunked it completely. I'm not claiming otherwise.

There was definitely military/gov negligence and I even call kit suicidal levels of incompetence.

However, they never talk about the original owners of the ammonium nitrate to begin with. I remember it being said that it was a ship that was sinking so it had to be emptied at the port for temporary storage. I'm asking why did the original owner of 2 TONS of it never came to get it back?

I don't think what I'm asking merits these kinds of answers.

Re: Beirut Port Explosion

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Post by netsharc »

notrealpersonq wrote: post #69
netsharc wrote: post #58

Earlier quoted context omitted.

They also didn't investigate reports of John McClane (of the Die Hard movie fame) tossing a cigarette into the warehouse, backwards while walking away, a few minutes before the explosion... I'm unsatisfied that they didn't entertain my conspiracy theory! /s If you actually informed yourself properly about this explosion (instead of reading -- I'm going to assume -- conspiracy websites), why the whole thing was sittin…

I'm Lebanese myself and I did inform myself don't worry about me. I also talked to real people affected by the blast and claim they saw Jets as well. I would have loved it if the vid had tackled this and debunked it completely. I'm not claiming otherwise. There was definitely military/gov negligence and I even call kit suicidal levels of incompetence. However, they never talk about the original owners of the ammonium…

Why does one video have to answer every question and entertain every theory? (Should it also answer my question if John McClane was seen at the scene?).

It's a video showing a 3D model/timeline from publicly released videos. If I claim "my friends saw Aladdin flying on his magic carpet before the explosion" but there's no video/photo of this claim, they can't use that claim for their reconstruction. And they're not going to talk about Aladdin because that's not the point of the video.

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