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M1 Macs Review

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Re: M1 Macs Review

#81

I received an M1 mini 2 days ago. I noticed the Steam client seems to be a bit laggy in UI responsiveness, but besides that I have no complaints. I got it for use as a server, so I was a bit dismayed to hear that M1 Docker support has hit a roadblock, but hopeful that they figure it out soon.

>I noticed the Steam client seems to be a bit laggy in UI responsiveness

Disabling GPU acceleration may fix this issue.

Re: M1 Macs Review

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More performant than any other laptop in the same form factor, with less heat and less power draw than any other laptop. And it only runs macOS. Apple is, once again, two steps ahead of the entire rest of the industry. This is the future: custom hardware and custom software working together as a unit. (Although for the next few years, I expect PC vendors will just use Snapdragons or Rockchips as a base.)

>This is the future: custom hardware and custom software working together as a unit.

Yes, the M1 is a product of a company with complete control over software and now hardware, including in this case the SOC that combines RAM and CPU. This is unheard of in a mass-marketed personal computer; I'm not sure this has ever happened before. Commodore used the 6502 CPU from subsidiary MOS Technology in its computers from 1977 onward, but I don't think MOS ever produced RAM, and certainly not integrated into the CPU like this. TI used its own CPU in the 99/4A, but not sure if TI ever produced RAM and, again, there was no RAM/CPU integration like M1.

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Of all the things unveiled during the launch event no-fan thing completely blew me away. That, I was not prepared for! I now wonder, does that mean that MB Air has no moving parts inside it at all?

>I now wonder, does that mean that MB Air has no moving parts inside it at all? In addition, does that mean that the Air has no air vents? Is it a completely sealed unit, like an iPhone?

Don’t dunk it in water like an iPhone. Unlike lightning, usb-c is likely energized and not sealed.

Re: M1 Macs Review

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It's in my cart, I'll place the order as soon as CS:GO launches fine on M1. So far it goes to black screen - other Source games work fine though, so I think it's just a matter of time. I already have a 2017 13" MBP but for some reason (dual channel memory? throttling?) the gaming experience is terrible, worse than a 2012 Mini in Bootcamp.

I've wanted a gaming laptop (or better put, a laptop that I can also game on) for years but couldn't stand the crappy quality of ASUS/MSI/Lenovo in sub-2k price range. As I said in another comment, I can't believe it's going to be a MacBook :)

Re: M1 Macs Review

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Speed is still relative. Yes the benchmark numbers for the M1 are impressive, but I am curious to see non-benchmark, real-world workloads compared. I'm reminded of a YouTube video (link below) in which the comparison was made between an $11,000 Mac Pro and a PC kit that also cost $11,000. In this case the PC was rocking a Ryzen chip with 32 (or was it 64?) cores and smoked the Mac Pro on every benchmark. But when com…

SPEC benchmarks are your friend. > non-benchmark, real-world workloads compared Many (most) benchmarks are designed to reflect real-world workloads.

Sure, but not macOS workloads. What most (all?) of these benchmarks fail to capture is the difference made by the specific optimizations for Apple's software stack.

Things like the five times faster ARC retain/release cycle or the dedicated objc_msgSend branch predictor are a big deal when your software stack hits these hotspots constantly. The SPEC sample workloads won't.

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> iOS apps on Mac—sometimes Says Full Screen Video works on some apps (MLB) but not HBO. What about other APIs like Filesystem and Notifications? Responsive apps to resize window? Any bigger write ups on this? To me, a single App Store across desktop/tablet/mobile has the most potential for developers from this chip change and it seems generally skipped over by almost all reviews.

I second this. Most, if not all; the reviews I have read so far have been 100% focused on the hardware itself. I honestly had to dig deep to even find the information I wanted about Rosetta emulation performance. For some reason, 80% of the articles out there are about benchmarks, when we're also looking at the single biggest new release of MacOS in arguably nearly 20 years. I get that it's a big hardware transition,…

Benchmarking if a 4K video takes 15 or 16 seconds to export is cool, but the universal App Store could be revolutionary and a huge money making opportunity for developers.

It’s likely why Apple wanted this so bad. The cost savings from Intel is one thing but the additional money earned through apps will be insane.

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I got the mbp when on day one but haven't been able to fully test it yet BUT I have been using it (right now) for almost 2 hours reading reddit and whatnot, I went form 100% to 96%. On my current mbp (2019, i9, 16gb) 2 hours would kill 50% of my battery. I don't care if compile time takes 2x. I can take my laptop with me at 8am and come back at 10pm and know I won't need a charger. It is amazing

A battery life of 4 hours doesn't sound okay, my 2013 MBP lasts longer (original battery).

I wonder what browser is used. Chrome would eat the battery fast. And some ads are very power hungry.

Re: M1 Macs Review

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post #56

Earlier quoted context omitted.

"Linux native is not in the cards" Sorry I'm not in the loop.. but why is that? Does the hardware somehow preclude it?

The locked bootloader will only run Apple signed operating systems (a la Chromebook, without the Chromebook Developer mode escape hatch). https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=23640746

Actually that's not the case. This post is misinformed (and 4 months old).

There was a breakdown from an official Apple page how to boot alternative systems on an M1.

Re: M1 Macs Review

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I got the mbp when on day one but haven't been able to fully test it yet BUT I have been using it (right now) for almost 2 hours reading reddit and whatnot, I went form 100% to 96%. On my current mbp (2019, i9, 16gb) 2 hours would kill 50% of my battery. I don't care if compile time takes 2x. I can take my laptop with me at 8am and come back at 10pm and know I won't need a charger. It is amazing

A battery life of 4 hours doesn't sound okay, my 2013 MBP lasts longer (original battery).

In my anecdata my 2013 MBP does a lot less than 2 hours depending on usage.

Re: M1 Macs Review

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Although I’m definitely not convinced enough to make the jump yet, those emulation benchmarks are impressive (and seem to also apply somewhat to general use based on another review I read). Running x86 code faster than native equivalents, using an ARM chip, that will probably be consuming significantly less power doing it is something I did not expect to see in gen 1 of this switch.

It's interesting you say "not convinced", curious what you are skeptical of? I'm not upgrading because I just bought a 16" Mbpro 2 months ago, but I'm more than convinced this new architecture is the real deal. Unfortunately for me my 6 year old MacBook just died and I have to have something for work.

I reckon it's worth waiting a few months for longer term testing, and probably a little bit longer for software support to catch up. There's also a decent chance that M2 chips are somewhere on the horizon and those might help answer the question of whether these SOCs can scale to enthusiast/professional desktops.

It's probably not fair for me to say I'm not convinced yet anyway, as I'm still developing on a Linux desktop and got rid of my laptop during lockdowns as there wasn't a need for it. If that need comes back though, these laptops look like they could be some really nice options (which would be a first for ARM laptops).

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