Jimmy Wales on Systems and Incentives
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Jimmy Wales on Systems and Incentives
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Re: Jimmy Wales on Systems and Incentives
#2I think there could be potential with allowing the community to moderate more of facebook/twitter. This is just based off of my theory that our perspective of who Others are is completely warped. We already know that the most extreme are the ones more likely to share extreme opinions, and that only some % of lurkers say things publicly, but even with that I think we're really ill-equipped to understand just how far it goes. If there's a huge silent population of kind reasonable people, people that don't spout off but are allowed to have some control of how content is authored and presented, maybe it could make a big difference.
Re: Jimmy Wales on Systems and Incentives
#3I think there could be potential with allowing the community to moderate more of facebook/twitter. This is just based off of my theory that our perspective of who Others are is completely warped. We already know that the most extreme are the ones more likely to share extreme opinions, and that only some % of lurkers say things publicly, but even with that I think we're really ill-equipped to understand just how far i…
would that turn into mob justice though?
Re: Jimmy Wales on Systems and Incentives
#4I was interested by the following part:
>COWEN: Now, as you know, Wikipedia is open. It’s free. It doesn’t have ads. It’s a dream of the early tech utopians. Why is it the only surviving dream of that kind that has persisted?
>WALES: Well, it’s an interesting thing, and I’m not sure it’s the only, but it’s certainly the most famous and the largest.
Can HN think of any other examples? Funny enough I immediately thought of HN itself, although it does have some ads and I'm not sure it qualifies as big enough for what Cowen had in mind.
Re: Jimmy Wales on Systems and Incentives
#5I was interested by the following part: >COWEN: Now, as you know, Wikipedia is open. It’s free. It doesn’t have ads. It’s a dream of the early tech utopians. Why is it the only surviving dream of that kind that has persisted? >WALES: Well, it’s an interesting thing, and I’m not sure it’s the only, but it’s certainly the most famous and the largest. Can HN think of any other examples? Funny enough I immediately though…
It's comical to see someone thinking this place as some unbiased utopia. HN front page and the associated top comments are consistently wrong on so many issues daily, it's absurdly US centric and even then, completely SF tech bubble centric.
The comparison is not apt in the slightest. This place has gone downhill for years and even PG laments it publicly.
Please take a step back and try to look clearly.
Re: Jimmy Wales on Systems and Incentives
#6If Jimmy is such an expert on incentives, why are all the long term editors leaving?
Re: Jimmy Wales on Systems and Incentives
#7> There are cases where Wikipedia is biased, not because of any intention of people to be biased, but just because no one cares about that thing except fans of that thing.
This woefully understates the very intentional bias of editors.
As an example, take a look at the talk page for the Wikipedia article on Links between Trump associates and Russian officials, which includes bombshells such as "Secretary of Commerce Wilbur Ross has shares in Navigator, a publicly traded shipping company that has contracts with Russian gas company Sibur, held in off-shore accounts. Co-owners of Sibur have ties to Vladimir Putin and are under U.S. sanctions".
The deduction required to conclude that this is evidence of 'Links between Trump associates and Russian officials' borders on the absurd.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Links_between_Trump_assoc...
Re: Jimmy Wales on Systems and Incentives
#8I think there could be potential with allowing the community to moderate more of facebook/twitter. This is just based off of my theory that our perspective of who Others are is completely warped. We already know that the most extreme are the ones more likely to share extreme opinions, and that only some % of lurkers say things publicly, but even with that I think we're really ill-equipped to understand just how far i…
Would only work if the network in question has solved the Sybil[1] identity problem, which is clearly not the case in any network today.
Re: Jimmy Wales on Systems and Incentives
#9I was interested by the following part: >COWEN: Now, as you know, Wikipedia is open. It’s free. It doesn’t have ads. It’s a dream of the early tech utopians. Why is it the only surviving dream of that kind that has persisted? >WALES: Well, it’s an interesting thing, and I’m not sure it’s the only, but it’s certainly the most famous and the largest. Can HN think of any other examples? Funny enough I immediately though…
On the podcast he brought up Craigslist. It is still a huge marketplace with extremely minimal ads and still one of the biggest local marketplaces.
Re: Jimmy Wales on Systems and Incentives
#10If Jimmy is such an expert on incentives, why are all the long term editors leaving?
The might be leaving to other newer alternatives like blockchain-based Everipedia.org or Golden.com (which recently raised from a16z).