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My daughter was a creative genius, and then we bought her an iPhone

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Re: My daughter was a creative genius, and then we bought her an iPhone

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> Even when she goes to the park with friends, she spends half the time making TikToks.

> Some days I get sad thinking about what happened to the little kid who used to corner visitors and make them go page-by-page through her art books.

It sounds to me like the daughter is doing the same thing she's always done, except now she has a new creative outlet -- TikTok.

Re: My daughter was a creative genius, and then we bought her an iPhone

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> Somewhere along the way, I realize that apps like TikTok and Instagram are impervious to Apple’s Screen Time limit. They work even when the rest of her phone shuts down. To keep the peace, I let it slide. The author is completely wrong about this, so I can only assume that their kid is indeed being creative and has manipulated them into believing it. Overall... this does seem like an "onset of adolescence" thing. 2…

I actually noticed this the other day. I set a 10 minute time limit on Instagram, and while I'll get the "5 minutes left" reminder, it won't kick me out of the app the way it does for other apps. Running iOS 14.2.

Can anyone from Apple or an iOS dev chime in? What is the screen time limit supposed to do? Are apps required to abide by it, and these ones are circumventing that somehow, or is it optional for the app to shut down?

This seems fixable, either on the dev side or with better communication about how the feature actually works. There's no reason to dupe people.

Re: My daughter was a creative genius, and then we bought her an iPhone

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Maybe. My teenage years were spent reading and being creative. I spent more time creating artwork during those years than in all the subsequent decades put together. But if I had had a smartphone back then? I doubt I would have read a single book or created any artwork. Would that made me a better or worse person than I am now? Well, that's impossible to say. I don't regret how I spent my teenage years. Will those wh…

Instagram photos and TikTok videos are certainly artwork though.

The vast majority of users on this these apps have no interest in making or sharing art, they're socially browsing other people's life events.

Re: My daughter was a creative genius, and then we bought her an iPhone

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This thread exercising various mental gymnastics to find other causes for her behavior honestly reminds me of a bunch of climate change deniers arguing why human activity has nothing to do with atmospheric heating. Being cautious with assuming causations is usually a good idea - but it falls flat when we know the causal chains that are at work. In the case of climate change, we know for a fact that humanity is releas…

Thank you.

Re: My daughter was a creative genius, and then we bought her an iPhone

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I think a lot of people are missing the point. That could be attributed to the poor title, though. The way I see it, pre-phone their daughter was probably much more engaged with her parents and was doing more manual creative stuff. After the phone appeared, she distanced herself and got absorbed by it. I don't get why so many people here are trying to defend smartphones/social media? Isn't it pretty obvious they are…

Is being addicted to creating tiktkok/instagram content to get likes such a bad thing? The fight to stand out on those social networks forces you to be creative.

I'd argue that the fight to stand out on these networks forces you, rather, into a low-level depression.

Re: My daughter was a creative genius, and then we bought her an iPhone

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A lot of the comments here seem to be saying that (1) kids getting addicted to phones is no different than getting addicted to TV, books, etc, and that this is just the latest iteration of a complaint parents have had for generations and (2) this person is a bad parent. I used to agree with (1), but lately I'm inclined to think that this time, it really is different. Very different. And the primary reason is that unl…

"Bad parent" can be applied to anything that goes wrong, and is an empty assertion. And it seems to be asymmetrically applied to mothers, not fathers. Also, one of the first rules of parenting is, never show any sign of weakness in public, or you will be attacked ruthlessly. It's a variant on the old saying, "Never let them see you sweat." This bias in the literature makes it look like there are some brilliant parent…

Yeah. Every time I hear someone blamed for bad parenting, I think about how Abraham Lincoln's father used to beat him for reading. Let's all try to raise little Lincolns, then?

Re: My daughter was a creative genius, and then we bought her an iPhone

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If my mother called me a “creative genius” in a highly public forum when I was a teen, I would have given her the Mother of All Teenage Rebellions.

So where is the data that quantifies the intellectual value of each single concept taught to children, on a concept by concept basis? And where is the data that the techniques used to teach any individual concept is worth the loss of that amount of childhood?

Seems like a lot of effort for any given lesson topic, but when you multiply any waste of time by the number of children and value of their childhood, it’s not so big.

Maybe give a teacher a child time budget...the amount of off-campus time you can take from a child’s life. Exceed that...and you can “buy” more time, but your contracted time would be extended without compensation as well. A slow kid may need more time, and additional support from another resource would be made available at no budget expense to the teacher.

But do your homework, kids...

Re: My daughter was a creative genius, and then we bought her an iPhone

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A lot of the comments here seem to be saying that (1) kids getting addicted to phones is no different than getting addicted to TV, books, etc, and that this is just the latest iteration of a complaint parents have had for generations and (2) this person is a bad parent. I used to agree with (1), but lately I'm inclined to think that this time, it really is different. Very different. And the primary reason is that unl…

I was 100% convinced my kids won't get these devices until their very late teens, when I saw how my less than 1 year old reacted to the phones my wife and I use. Because his reaction is pure instinct, the dopamine response just to the colors and brightness was shocking. We now have to work HARD to keep these devices away from him. Part of it, of course, is he observes how much attention we pay them but his eyes defin…

Although we occasionally resort to Cocomelon in desperation - the absolute trance it induces is the stuff of dystopian nightmares.
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