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‘Extremely aggressive’ internet censorship spreads in the world’s democracies

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Post by tekknik »

newguy1234 wrote: post #274
WalterBright wrote: post #265

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This is hardly new. "60 Minutes" was infamous in the 1960s for the egregious slanting of their segments. It was so bad that the smarter people being interviewed by them would demand that the interview be simultaneously filmed by their own people. As for riots, my dad remarked to me that the TV media would represent the crowds as large or small simply by where they pointed the camera and the zoom level used. And they…

Yeah very true I guess. I guess the big eye opener now is that cell phones are cheap and high speed mobile data is cheap so that allows anyone to become a "citizen reporter" so to speak. If something serious is happening, it is very likely someone will be live streaming it to facebook, youtube or similar platform so that is a complete game changer at breaking away from main stream media.

I think an even bigger eye opener for me is that we seem to have agreement on both sides that there is bias and it’s creating division, but we don’t see any catalyst for change it. If a true ly neutral news org came out (or exists already) would people give up their biased soap operas for the good of the country?

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Post by emergie »

> News, human rights and government sites saw a censorship spike in Poland after protests in July 2019

I'm not aware of any site blocking other than unregistered online gambling sites. If something like that would occur it would be a big news.

Polish politicians are not able to censor polish Internet without causing a big stir - the infrastructure is not controlled by state entities.

Only facebook/twitter are able to do so, because they are in complete control of their microcosm. Recently fb banned account of a polish politician with 780k followers. He is a bizzare person that sometimes likes to express edgy opinions or make political attention-grabbing mini happenings. Nevertheless a major politician was silenced by decision of some employee of polish division of american corporation.

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Post by root_axis »

mosdave wrote: post #341
Pils wrote: post #284

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Maybe Tim Pool? Big far-right podcaster, was famously an early intern at Vice, regularly claims to be one of Vice's founders.

In absolutely no way is Tim Pool "far-right"; to make such an assertion is an offense both to him as well as to far-rightists.

https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLJ2Z07lpGV_m3oQCr9hkq...

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Post by zests »

harry8 wrote: post #378

Whatever your views on the particular case being blogged about below, it is widely regarded as being hugely important for the freedom of journalists and journalism. In fact I haven't heard the argument that it isn't, if there is one at all. I've also seen nothing to suggest that the below is some kind of bold fabrication. If you're not worried by it, you probably should be. Whenever you hear "They can't be trusted to…

Unbelievable. This is a tragedy.

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Post by RonanTheGrey »

donw wrote: post #360
p1necone wrote: post #279

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What benefit do you think the government gets out of lockdowns? (other than the obvious one of stopping the spread of the pandemic).

Ten minutes of thinking gave me: (1) Identification of potential dissidents. Those who violate lockdowns or mask orders are most likely to resist state control. (2) Normalizing control over common activities. It takes four weeks to normalize a new habit. "Two weeks to stop the spread" has been going on since March (that's thirty-two weeks and counting). Americans are now habituated to state-controlled social behavior…

I keep asking people to explain why they downvote posts like yours and nobody wants to. I guess they know the reasons aren't good, they just can't help giving in to the desire for control.

Beautiful list though and well said. I've been trying to think of a succinct way to summarize some of those concepts and I think you've broken them up well.

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Post by SpicyLemonZest »

tekknik wrote: post #372
VBprogrammer wrote: post #180

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I do agree with that to some degree. In fact I do find some of the pan rattling about how social networks "must combat disinformation" about the potential Covid vaccines troubling. However, maybe I'm just unlucky, but I have a number of family members who are predisposed to believing anything they see on the internet. I can see the need for social distancing when it comes to viral content too.

> However, maybe I'm just unlucky, but I have a number of family members who are predisposed to believing anything they see on the internet. I can see the need for social distancing when it comes to viral content too. So censor what they see to ensure they only receive the information you approve of correct?

I don't think platforms (or governments) should ban content they disagree with, but I think platforms should be structured to emphasize compact social groups over viral content. It's irresponsible to have a UI like Twitter, with a "What’s happening" tab deliberately looking for the most controversial topics it thinks you'll like.

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Post by pessimizer »

noodles_nomore wrote: post #380
SpicyLemonZest wrote: post #375

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The source article is about countries forcing ISP-level bans on accessing certain sites, while the parent comment is about misinformation. Nobody's blocking gambling content, pornography, or Match.com because they're worried about misinformation.

varispeed talks about control and manipulation. That's far broader than misinformation.

Yet also not "gambling content, pornography, or Match.com."

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Post by int_19h »

busterarm wrote: post #209
JoshuaDavid wrote: post #201

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Fascism has a specific definition that is not just "whatever Mussolini did".

Considering that the term itself comes from his movement, the "Fasces of Revolutionary Action", and that he coined the word fascism personally in 1919 (after the word "fascio"), I think at the very least he gets to be attributed the lions' share of it.

So then why not take Mussolini's own words on what fascism is and isn't? His definition required it to be totalitarian: "Everything within the state, nothing outside the state, nothing against the state".

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Post by FreeTrade »

Only P2P platforms like Bittorrent and Bitcoin have shown effective censorship resistance from government.

For effective censorship resistant speech, the only effective solution is P2P speech platforms like scuttlebutt and member.cash

Moving from one private platform to another is just rearranging deckchairs.

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