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‘Extremely aggressive’ internet censorship spreads in the world’s democracies
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Re: ‘Extremely aggressive’ internet censorship spreads in the world’s democracies
#112As great as free press and democracies are, they also come with huge weaknesses. Those make it easy for foreign propaganda to influence the public and hence run the countries from outside. Thanks to The Great Firewall and the CCP rule, China is mostly immune to foreign propaganda. At the same time, China is using a lot of effort to affect countries with democracy and free speech, like India and the U.S. China is obvi…
> Other countries will have to do the same if they want to protect their national interests.
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Re: ‘Extremely aggressive’ internet censorship spreads in the world’s democracies
#113Earlier quoted context omitted.
If you think that's the case, you don't know your history. It's exactly the tactic of Mussolini. Edit: And when he did it, most of the western world/press fawned on him and praised him as a genius until he went and allied himself with Hitler.
I mean, since this is an argument about semantics > a political philosophy, movement, or regime (such as that of the Fascisti) that exalts nation and often race above the individual and that stands for a centralized autocratic government headed by a dictatorial leader is the definition of fascism. This is a tool often deployed by fascists.
And saying that something is "the (very) definition of" something is a colloquialism drawing comparison that dates back at least to James Madison and the Federalist Papers.
No. 47, if you'd like to read it.
Re: ‘Extremely aggressive’ internet censorship spreads in the world’s democracies
#114It is not surprising that this would happen in a democratic state. Democracy is not necessarily friendly to individual rights and freedoms. If the majority of citizens want to take your freedom away, you have no recourse in a democratic society. What we recognize as freedoms and human rights are more appropriately associated with limited government, separation of powers, and republics.
We often associate democracies with republics to the point of making them equivalent, but the two ideas are not related to each other. They both have very complicated and separated histories that happened to coincide in one very influential country (the U.S.A.).
Re: ‘Extremely aggressive’ internet censorship spreads in the world’s democracies
#115Have you recently used Google to search for something slightly out of accepted-by-mainstream compared to search engines like Yandex? I'm not saying Russian propaganda is not real, but it's a helpful guide to compare and contrast the results specially relevant results that is being omitted by Google[0]. Of course this is mainly because we have hate speech societal norms, hate speech laws and such, but how do we know t…
I've noticed the discrepancies too. Even Bing and DuckDuckGo (vs Google) will return drastically different results, particularly that aren't in line with 'mainstream' thinking.
I know Google did not start out like this - 'don't be evil' - but this is how they ended up... Curating truth. It's really sad.
I don't believe in unlimited free speech, but the bar should be set as low as what is permitted by the 1A, at least in the United States which grants maximum freedom under the law.
Re: ‘Extremely aggressive’ internet censorship spreads in the world’s democracies
#116As great as free press and democracies are, they also come with huge weaknesses. Those make it easy for foreign propaganda to influence the public and hence run the countries from outside. Thanks to The Great Firewall and the CCP rule, China is mostly immune to foreign propaganda. At the same time, China is using a lot of effort to affect countries with democracy and free speech, like India and the U.S. China is obvi…
> The only defense against it it following China's footsteps.
Is that the point you were trying to make?
Re: ‘Extremely aggressive’ internet censorship spreads in the world’s democracies
#117As great as free press and democracies are, they also come with huge weaknesses. Those make it easy for foreign propaganda to influence the public and hence run the countries from outside. Thanks to The Great Firewall and the CCP rule, China is mostly immune to foreign propaganda. At the same time, China is using a lot of effort to affect countries with democracy and free speech, like India and the U.S. China is obvi…
The US runs propaganda on its citizens and the citizens of other countries as well. China's propaganda arm prays every night to be as competent as the US' one day since most people dont even recognize it as propaganda while even Chinese citizens can tell their propaganda from a mile away.
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#118Re: ‘Extremely aggressive’ internet censorship spreads in the world’s democracies
#119Fits well with the current wave of authoritarianism/nationalism that has taken root all over the world. A free and open internet represents everything that a government that wishes complete control over its people would be afraid of.
A free and open internet also allows propaganda and hate to flourish which are two bedrocks of most authoritarian and nationalist regimes. It isn't as simple as ending censorship will allow everyone to be free.
> A free and open internet also allows propaganda and hate to flourish
I disagree. Sure there will always be some amount of misinformation on the internet, but a fully state-controlled media and internet (see - China) is far, far more effective at spreading propaganda and controlling the narrative.
Re: ‘Extremely aggressive’ internet censorship spreads in the world’s democracies
#120Earlier quoted context omitted.
> Hate speech IS violence. speech is not violence, no matter how many times this lie is repeated.
I love how you're being downvoted for what is obviously and objectively true. I'd wager that there's a not insignificant group of Americans that actually think hate speech is illegal (hint: it isn't).
he's being downvoted because he didn't get the obvious sarcasm.