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‘Extremely aggressive’ internet censorship spreads in the world’s democracies

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Re: ‘Extremely aggressive’ internet censorship spreads in the world’s democracies

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Cue conversation about overreach of Facebook and Twitter. Cue defense of freedom of speech in response to the incitement to violence argument. Cue downvotes of said defenses and upvotes of 'more should be done.' Cue hand wringing about how we elites can deal with the armies of the naive, the prone to conspiracy theories, viral false information needing correction. Cue dystopia.

Read the article. This is about government censorship, not Twitter/Facebook independently removing things.

Re: ‘Extremely aggressive’ internet censorship spreads in the world’s democracies

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> ISPs in Norway are imposing what the study calls “extremely aggressive” blocking across a broader range of content, including human rights websites like Human Rights Watch and online dating sites like Match.com. I have no trouble accessing hrw.org and match.com in Norway. I wonder is it specific to some ISPs? I also couldn’t find any law that was passed to block certain pornogrpahic websites in Wikipedia [1] and I…

>I don’t know where else to look. Does Norway not publish its corpus of law online? Even in Canada where our government motto is "yesterday's technology today" we have websites where you can look up all legislation and read it.

It probably does but it’s not easily searchable or finding this specific law with the information they provide in the article is very hard. Like the law jargon etc. it’s the job of the article to cite the link.

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Where does the line between blocking illegal content vs censorship go? In the western world we would probably allow ISPs to block sites that promote traditions that we do not see as normal. For example; in some east asian countries they eat dogs during festival. Websites selling dog meat shipping to western countries would be blocked in my country. Why can't India censor websites than promote values they dont agree w…

Let the laws and courts determine that. Not Mark Zuckerberg or Jack Dorsey.

Social media outlets are publishers, I have no problem with them editorializing. I wouldn’t have a problem with a book store not carrying a book or a newspaper not publishing a crank opinion piece, why should I have a problem with twitter banning someone (or whatever else)?

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It is extremely dangerous to our democracy to have unlimited free speech. 1. Freedom of speech isn't freedom from consequences. 2. Corporations aren't the government, so the first amendment doesn't apply. 3. Haven't your heard of "fire in a movie theater"? 4. Hate speech IS violence. 5. Reading disinformation from un-check-marked, non-fact-checked sources is anti scientific. Since all scientists have check marks, we…

Posts like these are dangerous because there's simply not enough people that realize you're being facetious.

"dripping with sarcasm" in audible speech works fine, in text, not so much

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The problem is that we didn't teach people about manipulation techniques because that was governments' favourite tool to control the masses. Now that anybody can reach anyone with any information, bad actors use these techniques to control people to their advantage. Governments' are now in an awkward position - ramp up education in these areas and forever give up a tool that worked for ages, or censor the information…

I don't think you can effectively inoculate the average person against this stuff with education. But I hope I am wrong. Is there any evidence it is possible?

Re: ‘Extremely aggressive’ internet censorship spreads in the world’s democracies

#47

The problem is that we didn't teach people about manipulation techniques because that was governments' favourite tool to control the masses. Now that anybody can reach anyone with any information, bad actors use these techniques to control people to their advantage. Governments' are now in an awkward position - ramp up education in these areas and forever give up a tool that worked for ages, or censor the information…

It's worse than that.

We're seeing the teaming up of governments and giant corporations to control the narrative and tell people what's true and what isn't. It's the literal definition of fascism.

And you see it being championed by people as defending against "the greatest threat to our democracy".

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Politicians look at Xi Jinping, the guy that has complete control over China for life, and say: "man, I want to have as much power as that guy".

Right on cue, a propagandist tries to turn this into a china-relate issue. What's with you people? Almost every other thread that has nothing to do with china, you people show up?

Then there is always someone to point out this is not about China... come on.

Re: ‘Extremely aggressive’ internet censorship spreads in the world’s democracies

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post #28

> ISPs in Norway are imposing what the study calls “extremely aggressive” blocking across a broader range of content, including human rights websites like Human Rights Watch and online dating sites like Match.com. I have no trouble accessing hrw.org and match.com in Norway. I wonder is it specific to some ISPs? I also couldn’t find any law that was passed to block certain pornogrpahic websites in Wikipedia [1] and I…

Looking in the citations in the article itself, these are the references provided, neither of which seem entirely convincing to me:

https://calvinayre.com/2018/05/10/business/norway-approves-g...

https://www.privateinternetaccess.com/blog/norwegian-politic...

Re: ‘Extremely aggressive’ internet censorship spreads in the world’s democracies

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post #8

Where does the line between blocking illegal content vs censorship go? In the western world we would probably allow ISPs to block sites that promote traditions that we do not see as normal. For example; in some east asian countries they eat dogs during festival. Websites selling dog meat shipping to western countries would be blocked in my country. Why can't India censor websites than promote values they dont agree w…

There is no line, thats censorship as well and should be rejected.
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