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My daughter was a creative genius, and then we bought her an iPhone

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Re: My daughter was a creative genius, and then we bought her an iPhone

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> There's many, many ways of learning through these devices. You can artificially lock down the device and expose only such things, but default mode is YouTube and Roblox type stuff.

Kids make games in roblox (edited to add: they learn how on YouTube)

IIRC Roblox Studio is only on PC, so their point stands.

Re: My daughter was a creative genius, and then we bought her an iPhone

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This thread exercising various mental gymnastics to find other causes for her behavior honestly reminds me of a bunch of climate change deniers arguing why human activity has nothing to do with atmospheric heating.

Being cautious with assuming causations is usually a good idea - but it falls flat when we know the causal chains that are at work.

In the case of climate change, we know for a fact that humanity is releasing ever-growing amounts of CO2 into the atmosphere and we also know the physical chain reactions this CO2 will trigger. Predicting climate change in broad strokes is not statistical guesswork, it's just applying physics.

Likewise, we know apps are addictive because they are actively being designed that way. Maximizing user retention and engagement is what app developers do. It's how they make money and it's one of the core metrics that investors use to estimate the value of an app.

So you have someone showing signs of addiction after using a device that was specifically designed to be addictive. Occam's razor really doesn't give a lot of room for alternative hypotheses here.

Re: My daughter was a creative genius, and then we bought her an iPhone

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So she used to do collages, and now she builds dream homes in Roblox and makes Tik-Toks?

Spends less time dreaming, and more time hanging out with her friends in virtual environments?

Congratulations, your creative child is now a budding creative teenager. She'll be fine.

You're cruising to do damage to your relationship with her with all this pearl-clutching, though. Might keep an eye on that.

Re: My daughter was a creative genius, and then we bought her an iPhone

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"Bad parent" can be applied to anything that goes wrong, and is an empty assertion. And it seems to be asymmetrically applied to mothers, not fathers. Also, one of the first rules of parenting is, never show any sign of weakness in public, or you will be attacked ruthlessly. It's a variant on the old saying, "Never let them see you sweat." This bias in the literature makes it look like there are some brilliant parent…

It's kind of comforting that the ad industry has thrown billions of dollars into trying to mind-control people, and conversion rates are still super low. Maybe we got lucky; maybe on another planet somewhere, intelligent life is 1000x more susceptible to ads.

It's a zero sum game, no matter how much money you put into it, the result is always gonna be the same.

Re: My daughter was a creative genius, and then we bought her an iPhone

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My 12-year-old daughter is also obsessed with her devices!

She spends at least 3 hours a day writing on her laptop (she's on her 7th 150-page+ fantasy book), drawing and making comics on her ipad (taking full advantage of layers and other techniques), and animating on her phone ("Gacha" characters).

Re: My daughter was a creative genius, and then we bought her an iPhone

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I was a creative genius, and then I bought myself an iPhone That's worse

I was a creative genius, then I went to boring high school classes for 8 hours a day and lost interest in anything that looked remotely like learning.

Once I picked up an Arduino however, I found my passion in programming and motion control, and went and got myself a degree.

Re: My daughter was a creative genius, and then we bought her an iPhone

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Is anything you listed even remotely on the same level as "assembly language and pascal with s3m libraries to program a game", what does Duolingo have to do with being able to understand and prod the workings of the machine in your hand. Still a locked down black box designed around attention algorithms and I'm getting tired of pretending it's not.

I agree, unless you're typing raw hex codes into the instruction pipeline, you're not really programming. And truthfully, I'd prefer manipulating gates by hand. Otherwise, how do you know you're really talking to the machine.

I hate high-level amateurs like you, diluting this serious and noble craft with your hex codes. If you're not etching the silicon yourself, it's ephemeral fluff. Get serious.

Re: My daughter was a creative genius, and then we bought her an iPhone

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I think some of the replies that add "poorest" may have taken your comment too literally. Truly there is no greater treasure in the world than be able to spend that amount of time with your child. We have some neighbors who are not too well off that homeschool their kids, and they are the most engaged and loving family I know on our block. It makes me smile any time I see them interact.

> We have some neighbors who are not too well off that homeschool their kids This is exactly the type of situation ttul seems unaware of. The "only rich white people homeschool" trope is a myth from people who are unfamiliar with the much more complex reality of the situation.

I am sorry. But if you are rich enough to have one parent stay home and school your kids, you are rich by any reasonable measure.

Re: My daughter was a creative genius, and then we bought her an iPhone

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Isn't a boy coding assembly a bit different than a girl doing TikTok, OnlyFans etc.?

I'd argue that "doing tiktok" is not creating but consuming an app. Similar as writing a reply in a chat app is not "creating literature" (generally) but merely consuming the features of that app.

Writing replies in a chat app is learning to type. Typing is a job skill, people used to pay for typing classes.

If, in the chat app, you create literature, you're creating literature. Some people are, most people aren't. If, on tiktok, you create interesting short films, you're creating interesting short films. Some people are, most people aren't.

To sum up, I agree with you that "doing tiktok" is like using a chat app, and agree with you that it's not necessarily educational. I disagree that it's necessarily not educational.

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