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Amazing way Chinese recycle millions of cellphones every year

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Re: Amazing way Chinese recycle millions of cellphones every year

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Yay! Another variety of sweatshop. Those chips have to be worth, what, 0.02?

Arm cpus and flash memory chips are worth a bunch more than 0.02 and they are easy to reuse. I've desoldered a few myself for projects. I've even rescued the data on a flash chip by pulling it from the phone.

Its easy and well worth it even for me the rich westerner. I'm not sure how valuable a mixed bin of SM capacitors are, but I assure you, if they weren't making something from them, they wouldn't do it.

Re: Amazing way Chinese recycle millions of cellphones every year

#22

Yay! Another variety of sweatshop. Those chips have to be worth, what, 0.02?

Arm cpus and flash memory chips are worth a bunch more than 0.02 and they are easy to reuse. I've desoldered a few myself for projects. I've even rescued the data on a flash chip by pulling it from the phone. Its easy and well worth it even for me the rich westerner. I'm not sure how valuable a mixed bin of SM capacitors are, but I assure you, if they weren't making something from them, they wouldn't do it.

Their boss is making money, sure. They are getting paid something I suppose. I really have no idea whether its a sweatshop or not. But I get suspicious when people spend hours a day on activities of marginal utility.

Re: Amazing way Chinese recycle millions of cellphones every year

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Well, you get what you pay for. Buy reputable brands through reputable dealers and pay a few extra cents for high quality parts, and you'll probably be ok.

"Probably" is the key word. Counterfieters do an awful good job at making themselves and the product look reputable, and China could use some work on trademark enforcement. cf. the many stories of "empty" big-name ICs from Chinese distributors.

It's all about the supply chain you use. Buy from an authorized reseller; they have a vested interest in selling you the real thing.

Tangentially, notice the counterfeit IC's from China are mostly storage (unless something has changed that I wasn't aware of) The margins on faked storage are pretty good. The margins on SMT capacitors? I can buy authentic, extremely high quality capacitors on DigiKey for $0.07.

Re: Amazing way Chinese recycle millions of cellphones every year

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post #7

Garbage sorters in HK isn't a sight I've 100% gotten used to. It is extremely common (somewhere around 1 every 2KM you walk - and those are just the ones you catch actually at a garbage). They are mostly after cardboard from what I've seen - or maybe that's just what they find the most of. As a general rule, they are all old and don't look particularly healthy. But they are hard working. I feel equal measures of sham…

I saw these people too. Some times I used to pre-sort my garbage so they could easily pick up the stuff they wanted -cardboard and containers from the building dumpster.

An observation was that they seemed dedicated and hard working. It kind of changed my way of looking at how people deal with limited opportunities. In TW destitute people are just hard working. I was very impressed by that. They find something to do --just something. I didn't see alcohol or drug abuse. I didn't see resentment toward people who were better off.

It seemed like a more practical approach without psychological overlays. I don't think it was accepted as fate, rather it seemed like a calculus of "this is what I can do, it's hard, but I can eke out a living without depending on someone/something"

Beside that, it was kind of weird coming up on them in the middle of the night pushing their carts in the middle of traffic. That part seemed really dangerous.

When I came back to the States, this experience skewed my view of how I perceive people at the fringes in the US who seem more likely to give up on their circumstance. It just seems more self-destructive without having to be.

Re: Amazing way Chinese recycle millions of cellphones every year

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post #14

Everything is possible in China because of wage slavery http://www.rediff.com/business/slide-show/slide-show-1-tech-...

The suicide rate amongst Foxconn workers is dramatically lower than that of China overall.

Most of the population of China are peasant farmers, living in huts with no running water or electricity. A factory dormitory looks pretty unpleasant to us, but for most of the people living in them it's a big step up.

Do you have a better idea for how to lift 800,000,000 people out of poverty?

Re: Amazing way Chinese recycle millions of cellphones every year

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It's a shame that most e-waste recycling in China is not as clean and neat as this. Case in point, the town of Guiyu: http://www.time.com/time/photogallery/0,29307,1870162_182214... http://www.viceland.com/int/v14n9/htdocs/ctrl.php# (Don't get me wrong, responsible e-waste recycling is to be lauded and encouraged - it's all the more important because of places like Guiyu. I'm not too surprised Nokia choose to focus o…

Going over the comments on the Nokia post again, it seems like the situation is yet more complex, maybe the Guiyu stories are not the majority case that it's been made out to be:

http://www.motherboard.tv/2011/3/26/e-waste-recycling-export...

http://shanghaiscrap.com/?p=6448

Either way, this makes for really interesting reading.

Re: Amazing way Chinese recycle millions of cellphones every year

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Arm cpus and flash memory chips are worth a bunch more than 0.02 and they are easy to reuse. I've desoldered a few myself for projects. I've even rescued the data on a flash chip by pulling it from the phone. Its easy and well worth it even for me the rich westerner. I'm not sure how valuable a mixed bin of SM capacitors are, but I assure you, if they weren't making something from them, they wouldn't do it.

Their boss is making money, sure. They are getting paid something I suppose. I really have no idea whether its a sweatshop or not. But I get suspicious when people spend hours a day on activities of marginal utility.

Apparently some of these jobs can pay quite well: http://shanghaiscrap.com/?p=6448

Re: Amazing way Chinese recycle millions of cellphones every year

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post #14

Everything is possible in China because of wage slavery http://www.rediff.com/business/slide-show/slide-show-1-tech-...

The suicide rate amongst Foxconn workers is dramatically lower than that of China overall. Most of the population of China are peasant farmers, living in huts with no running water or electricity. A factory dormitory looks pretty unpleasant to us, but for most of the people living in them it's a big step up. Do you have a better idea for how to lift 800,000,000 people out of poverty?

Evenly distribute $3 trillion forex to 800,000,000 people. http://www.rediff.com/business/slide-show/slide-show-1-heres...
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