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My daughter was a creative genius, and then we bought her an iPhone

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Re: My daughter was a creative genius, and then we bought her an iPhone

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My daughter has learned a lot about video editing, having fallen into the "Gatcha Life" community. It's a legitimate life skill.

> It's a legitimate life skill. ...this month, maybe this year, until the next fad hits the 'net and all those influency types need to adapt or exit.

Video editing has nothing to do with being an influencer lol. That is a very transferrable skill to a lot of industries.

Re: My daughter was a creative genius, and then we bought her an iPhone

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My dad smashed my computer around the laundry (where the computer lived) with my cricket bat because I was "playing games" instead of studying. "playing games" was using assembly language and pascal with s3m libraries to program a game. With my kids I've felt the rise of anger when they want to be autonomous and pursue their own interests. I mean, I was taught that parenthood is subjugation. But just like my dad coul…

Sorry to hear this, my friend. There are some real princes out there.

My stepfather refused to let me take piano lessons, because those would turn you into a "sissy" (e.g., Liberace).

Yeah, I'm still angry about it.

Re: My daughter was a creative genius, and then we bought her an iPhone

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Blanket statements are easy but reality is much more complex. iSH, code learning apps, Codecademy via the iPad browser, iBooks, Library Genesis for getting any book in existence for free, Duolingo, cloud coding. I could go on... There's many, many ways of learning through these devices.

Is anything you listed even remotely on the same level as "assembly language and pascal with s3m libraries to program a game", what does Duolingo have to do with being able to understand and prod the workings of the machine in your hand. Still a locked down black box designed around attention algorithms and I'm getting tired of pretending it's not.

> Is anything you listed even remotely on the same level as "assembly language and pascal with s3m libraries to program a game"

Wasm and WebGL certainly are.

Re: My daughter was a creative genius, and then we bought her an iPhone

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> It's a legitimate life skill. ...this month, maybe this year, until the next fad hits the 'net and all those influency types need to adapt or exit.

Video editing has nothing to do with being an influencer lol. That is a very transferrable skill to a lot of industries.

It's worth learning anyway, even just to help one's family videos not be so damned boring and amateurish.

Not everything has to be directly related to employment. It's nice to know how to cook a meal, even if you have absolutely no ambition to work in a restaurant.

Re: My daughter was a creative genius, and then we bought her an iPhone

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Buried lede: > My daughter doesn’t return home from school until 6:30 pm and still has to eat, bathe, and get ready for bed. Perhaps it is not just the iPhone, but school taking up 100% of her time, energy, and attention that is preventing her from pursuing creative interests? As a homeschooling parent whose kids have been in school at times, I see this first hand. School is exhausting . Between rising unnaturally ea…

> School is exhausting. Between rising unnaturally early (which leaves kids tired), rushing and bustling kids on their daily commute, most of the daylight hours blocked for school then homework when you get home I will point out though that, if one is inclined to argue that school should prepare children for adult life, it sounds like this system is a pretty good mimic of the working life any given child is likely to…

I went to one of the best rated public high schools in my state and also the country. While the academics were top notch compared to basically any other public high school around, it definitely did not prepare you adequately for (formal) engineering school. That includes the advanced courses that you had to take. I suspect that there are very few public schools that prepare you for those actual demands. Additionally, it was extremely competitive with respect to academics (in terms of grades/rank) and developing extracurriculars. It was no way representative of real life.

While I was not a good student in high school, and basically saw it as “doing time”, I was forced to get my act together academically when I became severely chronically ill my freshman year at university. My work ethic changed completely because not being a full time student meant no insurance. Also, if I did not have a job in the future with good benefits, it literally meant death (I require a blood product to survive). So, engineering school it was. But now I don’t live in the USA so this is less of a problem. It is nice not to have to worry constantly about healthcare and having to work a job just for the benefits—-as in to actually be free.

Re: My daughter was a creative genius, and then we bought her an iPhone

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> School is exhausting. Between rising unnaturally early (which leaves kids tired), rushing and bustling kids on their daily commute, most of the daylight hours blocked for school then homework when you get home I will point out though that, if one is inclined to argue that school should prepare children for adult life, it sounds like this system is a pretty good mimic of the working life any given child is likely to…

Yes, but the difference is that as an adult you choose to be there. You can make arrangements that fit what you want. Kids don't have that option. They often don't even realize that they themselves might've put too much on their own plate and might not know how to handle it. They just don't burn out the same way adults do. As an aside, if school was preparation for adult life then it really should teach you to drive,…

> as an adult you choose to be there

With the alternative frequently being homelessness. It's a lucky few (relatively speaking) who can freely switch jobs and pursue passions.

Most people work simply so they can continue to have a home, food, water, heat...

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Once again... not knowing how to communicate via a particular medium does not equate to a lack of social skills. To your point, if a telegraph operator handed me a message I didn't understand, I could just say, "Hey, I don't understand this message. Can you explain it to me?" because that is social skills.

And if someone at the bar buys you a drink and you're not totally sure why, you can go over to them and say "Hey, I don't understand this message. Can you explain it to me?" You posses the social skill to ask for clarification, you lack the social skill of flirting. That I can have someone translate to and from Urdu for me does not mean I have the social skill required to communicate via Urdu. Likewise, that your par…

Flirting and speaking a foreign language are a false equivalence to not knowing how to e-mail or use social media.

Whether using your definition or another, my point still stands that social media does not lead to GREATER social skills than previous generations possessed.

Not being skilled in ALL aspects of socialization isn't the same thing as lacking social skills in general.

Re: My daughter was a creative genius, and then we bought her an iPhone

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So, how about when your schoolwork requires you to 'ingest the drugs', you visit YouTube to watch the video your teacher picked out (they did a bad job IMO, but hey) ... then you're supposed to leave [cold turkey!] and get on with your work, except the website is highly animate and designed carefully to entice you to stay. All of a sudden you're spending the afternoon watching dross on YT because kids lack self-contr…

In your YouTube example there are are few people that have responsibilities: - teacher - video maker - YouTube Devs - companies - "kids" - individual - school - etc YouTube (the drug) is just a series of instructions that make a slab of glass light up in a certain pattern and a speaker to oscillate in a particular fashion (depending on hardware). It's an inanimate f----- object. It doesn't have "responsibilities". Th…

A key difference is that YouTube/companies in part work to increase 'engagement' (which in turn encourages overuse, and encompasses the courting of addictive behaviors) even when it reduces utility.

The other parties want to maximise utility.

Re: My daughter was a creative genius, and then we bought her an iPhone

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You dont have too, the time investment is minimal,many girls were already taking erotic pics anyway. If you are attractive you can ride that wave for several years and keep living your life normally. I've noticed that many of these girls are college students and the money from their admirers is useful to buy clothes, gadgets and to take their boyfriends to fancy vacations. So as long as you are aware this is a bubble…

I don't know what you mean by 'you don't have to.' The claim above is that there is a difference between learning how to program and having an onlyfans account. Your response was to say the difference is that the latter makes money. My response to that is the former is more likely to turn it into a career. I don't see where compulsions come into it.

You dont need to invest time in onlyfans. It's free money basically. For all the other 'careers' , Youtubers, modelling, acting, singing, there is a huge opportunity cost because you have to invest a lot of time just to have a slim chance. If you are 20 yo attractive girl, you take some pics every other day, the less clothes the better and you may be raking money in the thousands by month. It's your choice what to do with the rest of your time.

Re: My daughter was a creative genius, and then we bought her an iPhone

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I am in my late 30s. Our generation had very little access to computers growing up but we used what we had to tinker and experiment with them. I mean sure many people just played games but there was enough to do for those of us who were interested.

The current generation is basically digitally connected from the day they are born and yet the 'general purpose computing devices' they have access to are walled gardens like phones and tablets. And with the way Apple is going about it, even Macbooks will soon join the ranks.

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