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My daughter was a creative genius, and then we bought her an iPhone

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Re: My daughter was a creative genius, and then we bought her an iPhone

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> A child who used to read in the bath won’t pick up a book unless threatened with the loss of her phone.

I don't think it's the phone itself that was the problem here, I think its allowing your teenager unfettered access to social media. TikTok, Facebook, IG, are not particularly healthy IMO. There is something to look at here with the loss of interest in reading and being creative. iPhones are in fact very good outlets for creativity, its just that children need limits within them just like anything else.

Parents should be engaged with what kids are actually doing on their devices and be able to set boundaries for their digital lives. I'm all for being creative, and I think digital tools can be a real boon to it. Making games, videos, digital art, programming etc. are all awesome, character building experiences. Scrolling through feeds for 9 hours a day watching celebrities do hand-jives and gossip, not as much..

Re: My daughter was a creative genius, and then we bought her an iPhone

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My dad smashed my computer around the laundry (where the computer lived) with my cricket bat because I was "playing games" instead of studying. "playing games" was using assembly language and pascal with s3m libraries to program a game. With my kids I've felt the rise of anger when they want to be autonomous and pursue their own interests. I mean, I was taught that parenthood is subjugation. But just like my dad coul…

Isn't a boy coding assembly a bit different than a girl doing TikTok, OnlyFans etc.?

I'd argue that "doing tiktok" is not creating but consuming an app. Similar as writing a reply in a chat app is not "creating literature" (generally) but merely consuming the features of that app.

Re: My daughter was a creative genius, and then we bought her an iPhone

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A lot of the comments here seem to be saying that (1) kids getting addicted to phones is no different than getting addicted to TV, books, etc, and that this is just the latest iteration of a complaint parents have had for generations and (2) this person is a bad parent.

I used to agree with (1), but lately I'm inclined to think that this time, it really is different. Very different. And the primary reason is that unlike TV and books, this is an interactive device explicitly designed to manipulate our psychology into using it more, on a scale we've never seen before. Books never had thousands of engineers observing realtime metrics to make small tweaks to make you use something just a little bit longer. TV isn't a bi-directional communication platform that has thrown teenagers into an arena where they're communicating with thousands of people at a time when they're still figuring out how to communicate in small groups.

Regarding (2), I think people are being far too critical. The author acknowledges many of their own missteps, and they're also going through a time where, iPhone or not, their daughter is growing apart from them, and I imagine that's very difficult emotionally. I also feel like they really humanized how budging a little bit on rules here and there can spiral out of control, and how that feels. I really appreciated that perspective.

Re: My daughter was a creative genius, and then we bought her an iPhone

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It feels like a bit of both. The phone is probably a focal point for other issues. But, I don't think we should downplay the fact that the finely tuned, variable reward scheduled, Skinner boxs that are many modern apps are anywhere near comic books, rock'n'roll, or videogames of old. I'm pretty conscious of intrusive notifications and apps that aggressively vie for my attention. Even with those limits in place, I'm a…

I turned off all social media notifications on my devices so that I feel more like they're there to serve me rather than me a slave to it. Having it in my pocket is a lot less enticing when it's not constantly nagging me. I feel a lot more in control of it these days. I'm able to leave it on top of the microwave for hours at a time without feeling the anxiety of missing something.

I'm with you. The only audible notifications that I get are phone, text and a couple of other messaging apps that I barely use (I'm talking one message per month per app). I get visual notifications for my personal email. Contrary to many people apparently, I also view texting as an asynchronous activity; I don't fee any urge to view and reply instantly to texts.

Re: My daughter was a creative genius, and then we bought her an iPhone

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My wife and I both work full-time and we still stick to my daughter's iPad restrictions: only an hour a day, no Instagram or TikTok or YouTube at all, and she only gets it after homework and chores and other things are done. We never take it anywhere. It's important that parents set AND KEEP boundaries. My daughter now knows not to expect to be able to Snapchat her friends or anyone else because she's never been able…

Lack of ability to snapchat friends might not seem important... But communication is key to nearly everything in life, and not being part of those snapchat rumours, disputes and controversies now will probably mean your daughter doesn't get as good at the skills to interact with her peers in 20 years time.

A minor should not have access to Snapchat. It’s all fun and games until she sends a nude picture to a boy out of naïveté, falsely lured into a sense of security by Snapchat.

Re: My daughter was a creative genius, and then we bought her an iPhone

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This article reminded me of my dad, who in 1991 desperate because my brother and I spent a lot of time playing Nintendo bought this book: https://www.amazon.com/Video-Kids-Making-Sense-Nintendo/dp/0....

The problem is not the technology, the problem is as she mentions in passing bad parenting. If it wasn't an iPhone it would be "talking through the landline" (remember ALF's starting scene? it was an issue for us kids in the 80s/90s) Cable TV, or marijuana or any other addictive passtime.

Re: My daughter was a creative genius, and then we bought her an iPhone

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I believe this is a huge problem in our society. And I recommmend everyone who downplays it to watch "The social dilemma".

There are a few aspects which are worrying:

- Social pressure to be connected constantly increases for children below 14 years.

- Sites like TikTok, Reddit, Twitter, etc. are designed to be addictive. Children at such a young age do not have the same level of self control like you.

- The longer kids spend time on these platforms, the smaller their bubble gets where they live in.

I understand that as a good parent you can try to explain such things and guide them. But many won't.

Recently I was invited to a school meeting about screen time. I was shocked at some recommendations, for example, age = hours of screen time per week. Also many parents trust tablets and phones way more than desktops. This also worries me, because arguably there are more ways to be creative on desktops.

I also spent endless hours playing video games when I was young and chatting about them on forums and irc. But social media is on a whole other level and I think most people do not even realize it.

Re: My daughter was a creative genius, and then we bought her an iPhone

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Labeling the phone one object causing the problem is inaccurate. It is a world of possibilities and the unlimited aspect of it is what make it’s so addictive. It would be like if I said walking was addictive because we always do it. Social media is the actual culprit. Think about how much attention it takes just to baby sit a toddler. Now online they can get 100x more attention than any parent could ever give, not only attention but appreciation. Everything is liked or hearted online a hundred times over. They need to understand love from family is worth more than a million likes from most online friends and strangers.

Re: My daughter was a creative genius, and then we bought her an iPhone

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My dad smashed my computer around the laundry (where the computer lived) with my cricket bat because I was "playing games" instead of studying. "playing games" was using assembly language and pascal with s3m libraries to program a game. With my kids I've felt the rise of anger when they want to be autonomous and pursue their own interests. I mean, I was taught that parenthood is subjugation. But just like my dad coul…

Are you happy?

I missed so many experiences sitting in front of the computer all day, it didn’t really get me any further than if I had taken a more modest interest.

YouTube and Minecraft and these digital realities are fake realities. Whatever happiness they provide is temporary and short lived. It took me until my 30s to realize this and now I’m starting all over again.

Digital stuff is fine in moderation, but I will not let my children build a life around it like my parents allowed me to.

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