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Re: Games released before PS4 are no longer appearing in search on PlayStation.com

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Post by gambiting »

AmericanChopper wrote: post #34
kuu wrote: post #5

The forced obsolescence of consoles is amazing. Now the new generation is advertising as one of their major achievements the retro-compatibility with the previous generation games, but what about PS3 or 360 games? Don't worry, you will have the option to pay again for the same game, maybe with new textures (but maybe not). At the same time, on PC I can play almost any game it has existed in PC history.

I can’t see any rationale for how it’s forced obsolescence. New consoles offer very obvious improvements over previous consoles, and they don’t prevent old consoles from working. Not offering infinite backwards compatibility with new hardware isn’t forced obsolescence.

Yeah it's like saying that Apple is doing forced obsolescence because modern Macs can't run PowerPC Mac software. PCs can run even very very old software because at least the architecture is the same. There is no good way to emulate the CELL cpu of the PS3 on modern x86 architecture, and even emulating PS2 architecture is very very difficult and full of caveats. That's not forced obscolescence, like you said - it's just obsolescence.

Re: Games released before PS4 are no longer appearing in search on PlayStation.com

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Post by Narann »

jmiskovic wrote: post #3

Executives in big company cutting costs for whatever is not making immediate profit. One of those moments when you come to understand how out of touch they are with their audience. Gamers are nostalgic breed and PS1/2/3 made many childhood memories. Nintendo knows to capitalize on their history far better than Sony or Microsoft.

> Nintendo knows to capitalize on their history far better than Sony or Microsoft.

Compared to Nintendo, Microsoft have no gaming history and Sony is not that better.

Nintendo is the oldest of them, with a huge IP for pre-Playstation area (NES, SNES, GB, GBC, etc).

Nintendo is the first to had the opportunity to provide its old games to its console (Wii virtual console). This implies it is the first to have to deal with retro gaming emulation from a financial standpoint.

Nintendo platforms tends to be the most emulated ones with very good emulation. Also dev community tends to focus on Nintendo emulator far more.

Neither Sony or MS had those problems.

I suspect things are moving slightly for the Playstation world, but even with that Sony don't have a such big IP they can control and distribute them-self.

Re: Games released before PS4 are no longer appearing in search on PlayStation.com

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Post by pjmlp »

kuu wrote: post #5

The forced obsolescence of consoles is amazing. Now the new generation is advertising as one of their major achievements the retro-compatibility with the previous generation games, but what about PS3 or 360 games? Don't worry, you will have the option to pay again for the same game, maybe with new textures (but maybe not). At the same time, on PC I can play almost any game it has existed in PC history.

> At the same time, on PC I can play almost any game it has existed in PC history.

Only thanks to emulation or the fact that modern hardware is still able to boot into some flavour of DOS.

Plenty of people buy their movies multiple times, Betamax, VHS, LaserDisc, CD-ROM, DVD, BlueRay, HiDef BluRay, streaming service,...

Or their music, tape, cassette, LP, CD, mini-disc, mp3, streaming,....

Re: Games released before PS4 are no longer appearing in search on PlayStation.com

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Post by ricardo81 »

slg wrote: post #12
nichch wrote: post #2

https://web.archive.org/web/20201117163017/https://delistedg...

I love the irony in an Internet Archive link being need for this specific article because it happened to disappear from the internet.

Reminds of Monty Python Holy Grail credits, Those responsible for sacking the people who have just been sacked, have been sacked

Re: Games released before PS4 are no longer appearing in search on PlayStation.com

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Post by vultour »

kuu wrote: post #5

The forced obsolescence of consoles is amazing. Now the new generation is advertising as one of their major achievements the retro-compatibility with the previous generation games, but what about PS3 or 360 games? Don't worry, you will have the option to pay again for the same game, maybe with new textures (but maybe not). At the same time, on PC I can play almost any game it has existed in PC history.

I don’t think I’ll ever understand people that buy consoles, especially for FPS games. The controls are terrible, the FPS is terrible, the display is probably terrible if they’re using a TV, and the number one reason I will never understand: paying money if you want to play multiplayer. So you’ve already paid money for the console, you paid an exorbitant price for a game that is rarely on sale, and now you have to pay _more_ money to Sony/Microsoft so that you can use the internet? What the actual fuck? I can’t understand how console players aren’t rioting about this. Imagine the outrage if Microsoft prevented you from playing an online game on PC saying “Please buy a Windows+ subscription for online features”.

I bought a PS4 to play Crash Bandicoot when I wasn’t sure it will ever come out on PC (also fuck exclusives - a whole another debate), but since I bought it on Steam the console is a glorified HBO player. I don’t even use it for Netflix because using my fire TV stick is faster.

Re: Games released before PS4 are no longer appearing in search on PlayStation.com

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Post by kjakm »

solstice wrote: post #9
extrememacaroni wrote: post #4

Isn't keeping history the job of the waybackmachine? Or an archival service in general.

That should be the last resort. Companies deliberately chucking their own history down the drain is a problem. Another example is wizards of the coast infuriating treatment of their web properties for Magic the Gathering. (Link rot, content reshuffles hiding older content etc)

>> Companies deliberately chucking their own history down the drain is a problem

...why? How many people ever looked at Sony's pages of game releases from the 90's? If a person who relies on that content wants to preserve it they should make their own copy (or a physical copy).

Re: Games released before PS4 are no longer appearing in search on PlayStation.com

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Post by deergomoo »

als0 wrote: post #52
silon42 wrote: post #33

Earlier quoted context omitted.

How usable is PS4 without internet connection? I'd buy one (maybe used) if it is.

You put discs in and play games. From that perspective you don’t need an internet connection. However, if you want to play blu ray movies, you need to connect it to the internet to download a license. Sadly.

It's worth noting that with the prevalence of day-one patches these days, it's entirely possible that the code on the disk is a barely playable mess.

It raises big concerns for archival—we'll eventually have high quality emulators for all of these systems, but to properly archive the games requires also archiving patches, which is difficult from both a logistical and copyright standpoint.

Re: Games released before PS4 are no longer appearing in search on PlayStation.com

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Post by uCantCauseUCant »

cbsmith wrote: post #16
jmiskovic wrote: post #3

Executives in big company cutting costs for whatever is not making immediate profit. One of those moments when you come to understand how out of touch they are with their audience. Gamers are nostalgic breed and PS1/2/3 made many childhood memories. Nintendo knows to capitalize on their history far better than Sony or Microsoft.

It depends on what you mean by "out of touch they are their audience". They're pretty in touch with how the money is being spent.

A locust is in touch with nature - but is it really in a sustainable relationship with nature.

Local, spiking maxima, do not mean you are laying down long-term growth foundations, from which new endeavours can spearhead

Re: Games released before PS4 are no longer appearing in search on PlayStation.com

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Post by m1gu3l »

deergomoo wrote: post #67
als0 wrote: post #52

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You put discs in and play games. From that perspective you don’t need an internet connection. However, if you want to play blu ray movies, you need to connect it to the internet to download a license. Sadly.

It's worth noting that with the prevalence of day-one patches these days, it's entirely possible that the code on the disk is a barely playable mess. It raises big concerns for archival—we'll eventually have high quality emulators for all of these systems, but to properly archive the games requires also archiving patches, which is difficult from both a logistical and copyright standpoint.

i see a future where if it’s going to be emulated the patch packages will either be included with the image OR the image available will be at last published version.

Re: Games released before PS4 are no longer appearing in search on PlayStation.com

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Post by Narann »

jokowueu wrote: post #22
mnd999 wrote: post #7

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The PS3 has an incredibly powerful CPU that is a a real pain to emulate. Modernretrogamer did quite an interesting Youtube piece on it: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lLebZyha74o

I keep reading that it's difficult to emulate but the current Rpcs3 is doing great work at such a high pace https://youtu.be/MhLteF_xVi0

> I keep reading that it's difficult to emulate but the current Rpcs3 is doing great work at such a high pace

The fact a 9 year old emulator with talented devs with successful patreon is doing great work at such a high pace doesn't invalidate the fact PS3 is a nightmare to emulate.

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