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Re: Let's Make the Web Weird Again [audio]

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Here's a link that doesn't require an Apple device to listen to https://open.spotify.com/show/0FiS79p7OPZjdGVj25e6kS (would have preferred to link to some home page for the podcast but too lazy to search further)

Posting one proprietary address instead of another is not much better. Apple podcasts at least tries to contribute to the open ecosystem by allowing their index to be used by independent apps for free. Spotify does not.

Here’s direct link to the podcast website: https://anchor.fm/chapteroneventures

Listen directly in the browser without drm, import into your podcast app of choice with rss or download the mp3 locally.

Re: Let's Make the Web Weird Again [audio]

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post #12

Here's a link that doesn't require an Apple device to listen to https://open.spotify.com/show/0FiS79p7OPZjdGVj25e6kS (would have preferred to link to some home page for the podcast but too lazy to search further)

Posting one proprietary address instead of another is not much better. Apple podcasts at least tries to contribute to the open ecosystem by allowing their index to be used by independent apps for free. Spotify does not. Here’s direct link to the podcast website: https://anchor.fm/chapteroneventures Listen directly in the browser without drm, import into your podcast app of choice with rss or download the mp3 locally.

One lets you listen, the other doesn't. So one is decidedly better than the other

Re: Let's Make the Web Weird Again [audio]

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post #3

> "You must enable DRM to play some audio or video on this page" No. No no no no no. This isn't right. The modern Internet is such sellout. It didn't turn out anything like what I'd hoped. Bittorrent, semantic tagging, RSS, decentralized aggregation. Ownership . All dead or dying. These companies are all gobbling up the commons and pushing us into serfdom. Apple, Google, the RIAA. The whole lot of them have poached a…

I often wonder how much time it will take for the scenario you described to collapse. Once computer systems become completely closed and programming becomes unavailable to the lowly user, how are new skilled people going to find their way into the system? Will it die when the last developers of the system retire?

Eventually, but it could live on for a long time. Reminds me of a story in the Dying Earth series, can't quite remember which one. Cugel visits a city where no one knows how the technology works anymore. Some of it still works, other stuff is breaking down, and the populace thinks that's because the magic is fading away. Or maybe I'm confusing different stories. Anyway, something along this line probably.

Re: Let's Make the Web Weird Again [audio]

#15

Here's a link that doesn't require an Apple device to listen to https://open.spotify.com/show/0FiS79p7OPZjdGVj25e6kS (would have preferred to link to some home page for the podcast but too lazy to search further)

Here's the episode on ListenNotes:

https://www.listennotes.com/podcasts/product-club-with/dusti...

Re: Let's Make the Web Weird Again [audio]

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post #12

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Posting one proprietary address instead of another is not much better. Apple podcasts at least tries to contribute to the open ecosystem by allowing their index to be used by independent apps for free. Spotify does not. Here’s direct link to the podcast website: https://anchor.fm/chapteroneventures Listen directly in the browser without drm, import into your podcast app of choice with rss or download the mp3 locally.

One lets you listen, the other doesn't. So one is decidedly better than the other

Right on. I can listen via Apple Podcasts but not via Spotify, which as usual declares that it’s “not available in your country”.

By the way, an Apple device is not required—Apple podcasts work on Windows, and on Linux you can paste an Apple podcast link into a podcast client like GNOME Podcasts.

If I don’t have any app, at least I can read what podcast is that and find it elsewhere, while the error page seen after following a Spotify link takes care to not disclose a single bit of information about the podcast that could let one find it elsewhere online, and even podcast URL offers no glimpse due to being mostly a hash. Each time I am given a Spotify link without further context I basically can only respond with “sorry can’t access that, give me at least a name so I can find it elsewhere online”.

Of course, a canonical link to podcast page, if such exists, is best.

Re: Let's Make the Web Weird Again [audio]

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post #3

> "You must enable DRM to play some audio or video on this page" No. No no no no no. This isn't right. The modern Internet is such sellout. It didn't turn out anything like what I'd hoped. Bittorrent, semantic tagging, RSS, decentralized aggregation. Ownership . All dead or dying. These companies are all gobbling up the commons and pushing us into serfdom. Apple, Google, the RIAA. The whole lot of them have poached a…

I often wonder how much time it will take for the scenario you described to collapse. Once computer systems become completely closed and programming becomes unavailable to the lowly user, how are new skilled people going to find their way into the system? Will it die when the last developers of the system retire?

That's the oft-forgotten other half of the premise of the film Idiocracy. Everybody talks about the (inaccurate and unrealistic) premise of natural selection favouring unintelligence, but overlook how the future society is supported by ageing high-tech easy-to-use machinery which is falling apart.

Maybe Idiocracy was right, but not for the reason most people assume...

Re: Let's Make the Web Weird Again [audio]

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post #3

> "You must enable DRM to play some audio or video on this page" No. No no no no no. This isn't right. The modern Internet is such sellout. It didn't turn out anything like what I'd hoped. Bittorrent, semantic tagging, RSS, decentralized aggregation. Ownership . All dead or dying. These companies are all gobbling up the commons and pushing us into serfdom. Apple, Google, the RIAA. The whole lot of them have poached a…

Even as BigCos do their best to ruin the mainstream for everyone, there are plenty of alternatives popping up. Gopher, Gemini, shared Unix terminals, Tor, etc. I'm not necessarily disagreeing with your prediction, but I predict if things get so bad, there will definitely be a healthy community of counterculture hackers who will do things differently.

Those are cool when you live in the CLI. My mom doesn't though, being part of a small cluster of hackers is cool but not what the internet should be.

My goal once I can finance it is to create a virtual island that my family and close friends can rely on for vital services: emails, file hosting, calendar, contacts, a public web space, etc. If every hacker did this for its close circle the impact would be far greater than the current hacker communities we create.

Notable mentions: https://chatons.org/en & https://yunohost.org/

Re: Let's Make the Web Weird Again [audio]

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post #14

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I often wonder how much time it will take for the scenario you described to collapse. Once computer systems become completely closed and programming becomes unavailable to the lowly user, how are new skilled people going to find their way into the system? Will it die when the last developers of the system retire?

Eventually, but it could live on for a long time. Reminds me of a story in the Dying Earth series, can't quite remember which one. Cugel visits a city where no one knows how the technology works anymore. Some of it still works, other stuff is breaking down, and the populace thinks that's because the magic is fading away. Or maybe I'm confusing different stories. Anyway, something along this line probably.

Having systems working without maintenance would be a true breakthrough.

Re: Let's Make the Web Weird Again [audio]

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post #18

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Even as BigCos do their best to ruin the mainstream for everyone, there are plenty of alternatives popping up. Gopher, Gemini, shared Unix terminals, Tor, etc. I'm not necessarily disagreeing with your prediction, but I predict if things get so bad, there will definitely be a healthy community of counterculture hackers who will do things differently.

Those are cool when you live in the CLI. My mom doesn't though, being part of a small cluster of hackers is cool but not what the internet should be. My goal once I can finance it is to create a virtual island that my family and close friends can rely on for vital services: emails, file hosting, calendar, contacts, a public web space, etc. If every hacker did this for its close circle the impact would be far greater…

> create a virtual island

That sounds like a really cool project. What would the costs be to finance that?

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