I have so many issues with this, as it is just greenwashing at its worst. For a start - the latest EURO emissions regulations already make it practically impossible to sell a new ICE-only car. At this rate, ICE-only new cars will already be a rarity by 2030. The "net zero emissions" is only if the electricity used to power those EVs is generated from renewable sources (and I'm not sure how much further installation p…
Britain to ban new petrol cars and vans by 2030 on road to net zero emissions
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#182Where is the climate emergency? Can someone show me something I can see? Sea levels haven't risen. There are more small birds around where I live than when I was younger. Things seem to be doing ok. I am a skeptic and I'm very far from trusting experts. I don't want to be in a state of belief, I want to know. But I am put in a position that I must take it on trust that it is real. Is carbon dioxide bad? Surely, it wo…
I think you've misunderstood what is meant when people talk about rising sea levels or temperatures. Yes, this is literally what is happenning. But the effects are not ones you would ever directly notice, i.e. people suffocate because there is no oxygen, or that the sea level rises by several meters and suddenly the beach you used to play on as a child is underwater. Small changes have a massive impact on weather pat…
On your point about climate - do you really think that the climate should be the same, year after year? I think there are fluctuations. (I also think the weather we have is not entirely natural, but that's a different story.)
On forest fires, these are in fact managed environments. If you don't let the fires burn naturally, and allow matter to build up, eventually you will have a massive conflagration. You can just de-fund the organisations that actively managed those environments, to prepare a fire event.
Additionally, it really doesn't take much to create a fire - just someone to start one - ie this doesn't need to be a natural event. In fact, there were lots of people that were arrested for starting fires on purpose. Bizarrely, lots of them were released! (At least that was the case in Aus.)
You might say 'why would they do that?' Well, my view is that those who govern us want to usher in a technocratic control system, and they need us to accept this. If they say they are going to save us from climate change and killing the world, the psychology is such that most people would willingly sign up. They teach us about climate change in schools, so everyone is on board.
Re: Britain to ban new petrol cars and vans by 2030 on road to net zero emissions
#183Where the UK is really moving is with windpower, they were a bit slow to get started, when you consider that the UK is probably one of the prime locations for windpower, but they are now catching up: https://www.power-technology.com/projects/hornsea-project-on... Of course, they are not first movers, and while the UK could have been a pioneers in green technology, they are now relying on foreigner partners (Danish Orsted for construction and German Siemens for the Turbines).
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#184Earlier quoted context omitted.
But on the other hand, this IS indeed a super drastic action and we can't expect any nation on Earth apart from possibly, a few city-states like Singapore, to do as much in the same time frame. Petrol cars will be mainstay of transportation for about 40-50 years and will dominate new car sales for at least 20-30 years depending on the country. Anything but classic petrol and diesel cars will still hold tiny market sh…
You are way off. It took about 15 years to go from cities dominated by horse carriages to them being dominated by cars. It took longer in agriculture and rural areas. But the shift to electrical vehicles is trivial in comparison. Technically and economically we could easily prohibit new fossil fuelled cars by 2025. Sun and wind power is already much cheaper to install than coal powered plants, and once sun and wind p…
Except that supply is unreliable...
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#185Earlier quoted context omitted.
> - Start by implementing a odd/even rule for license plates in big cities, even full bans on weekends. > - Tax and/or de-subsidize the meat industry. And just like that, you've been voted straight out of office. Better luck next life connecting to the electorate. You can't do those things. Humanity is a distributed consensus problem. Climate change presents an interesting change in the fitness landscape topology ahe…
Then humanity is clearly headed off a cliff in that landscape. Which, by the way, has been signaled to everyone for decades now. Just our political processes have not allowed those signals to reach "the economy" and we seem to be unable to act on anything that isn't felt by the economy. Which, I might add, is not a god-given fact, but rather a political choice. Anyway, we will have a cliff. And it will have been anno…
This right here is the achilles heal of free market theory.
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#186Earlier quoted context omitted.
>> Firstly - any response to climate change that does not include China and really India Are these not mostly proxy emissions for western countries? E.g. is it the case that people in these countries are emitting pollution due to their lifestyles, or is the pollution mostly from energy, transport and manufacturing in the pursuit of selling products to western countries? >> During the covid19 situation we've seen the…
>Are these not mostly proxy emissions for western countries? Last time I checked exports were around 14% of Chinese emissions. Significant but domestic emissions are the majority. Repeating the proxy emission meme is quite disrespectful if you consider this context. i.e. you are saying that although the other 86% are domestic, their primary purpose is to support the export industry and therefore should be counted as…
That is the opposite of what i’ve read so far but happy to be corrected. Is there any data you can point me to that supports your position?
Re: Britain to ban new petrol cars and vans by 2030 on road to net zero emissions
#187Where is the climate emergency? Can someone show me something I can see? Sea levels haven't risen. There are more small birds around where I live than when I was younger. Things seem to be doing ok. I am a skeptic and I'm very far from trusting experts. I don't want to be in a state of belief, I want to know. But I am put in a position that I must take it on trust that it is real. Is carbon dioxide bad? Surely, it wo…
Thanks for those posting data from NASA and NOAA. I know you will think that I'm being outrageous not to trust the data from those organisations, but I don't. I see all - ALL - the organisations as acting in interests that are not mine. I do not want to get into an anarchy conversation, but I think it is self-evident that governmental structures are about control. What is requested in posting this 'scientific' data,…
You will never, ever see the water level rise in a way that is directly visible. The effect is more frequent flooding.
I personally, have noticed a change in the climate. When I was a child, the river used to freeze in the winter and there would be metres of snow. These day the city government still hires snow clearers every winter, but they never have anything to do. Meanwhile, the summers are hotter and drier than ever. A couple of years a ago I went sunbathing in October!
Probably the best way of demonstrating this is to see the former arctic permafrost with you own eyes. I know people who have done this and they came away amazed. However, if you will not accept any 3rd party data as evidence this becomes quite difficult as you would have had to go there a few years ago to see the 'before' state.
Re: Britain to ban new petrol cars and vans by 2030 on road to net zero emissions
#188Where is the climate emergency? Can someone show me something I can see? Sea levels haven't risen. There are more small birds around where I live than when I was younger. Things seem to be doing ok. I am a skeptic and I'm very far from trusting experts. I don't want to be in a state of belief, I want to know. But I am put in a position that I must take it on trust that it is real. Is carbon dioxide bad? Surely, it wo…
Thanks for those posting data from NASA and NOAA. I know you will think that I'm being outrageous not to trust the data from those organisations, but I don't. I see all - ALL - the organisations as acting in interests that are not mine. I do not want to get into an anarchy conversation, but I think it is self-evident that governmental structures are about control. What is requested in posting this 'scientific' data,…
Kiribati sinking: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TZ0j6kr4ZJ0
Re: Britain to ban new petrol cars and vans by 2030 on road to net zero emissions
#189I have so many issues with this, as it is just greenwashing at its worst. For a start - the latest EURO emissions regulations already make it practically impossible to sell a new ICE-only car. At this rate, ICE-only new cars will already be a rarity by 2030. The "net zero emissions" is only if the electricity used to power those EVs is generated from renewable sources (and I'm not sure how much further installation p…
That's simply not true.
>Net emission reductions from electric cars and heat pumps in 59 world regions over time
>..We show that already under current carbon intensities of electricity generation, electric cars and heat pumps are less emission intensive than fossil-fuel-based alternatives in 53 world regions, representing 95% of the global transport and heating demand. Even if future end-use electrification is not matched by rapid power-sector decarbonization, it will probably reduce emissions in almost all world regions.