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Re: World of Warcraft 9.0.2 client runs natively on Apple Silicon

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Post by kzrdude »

Xixi wrote: post #85
falcolas wrote: post #53

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The most recent of Blizzard’s mainline games was released about 5 years ago. The second-to-most recent a decade. Diablo III, HOTS, and Starcraft are all now in maintenance mode, with no new development. Warcraft III was recently “remastered” into oblivion, replacing the original game for all its fans. Only WoW and Overwatch are currently active, and both are fueled mostly by their microtransactions. Yes, WoW has a su…

The Blizzard I know (from when I was playing a lot more video games) has never been releasing a lot of games. Between 2000 and 2010, they released only four games: Diablo II, Warcraft III: Reign of Chaos, World of Warcraft and StarCraft II: Wings of Liberty. I'm sure even today's Blizzard can somehow manage to release four games between 2020 and 2030, although I doubt they will have as strong an impact as these four.

Those four are all legendary, one can note. They were big titles.

Re: World of Warcraft 9.0.2 client runs natively on Apple Silicon

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Post by Iolaum »

PeterStuer wrote: post #111
Loranubi wrote: post #79

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I had one and I loved it as well. > The nail in the coffin was Google refusing to write a Youtube app for Windows Phone and THEN blocking the app that MS wrote themselves. There were at least 2 great third party youtube apps and youtube worked well in the browser as well. Including background play support which seems not to work on other platforms easily.

It works very well on Android, but it is a feature exclusive to YouTube Premium.

It also works great with Newpipe. They now even have their own F-droid repository so that you can get the latest updates asap when YouTube makes a breaking and they fix it.

Re: World of Warcraft 9.0.2 client runs natively on Apple Silicon

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Post by nardi »

asdfasgasdgasdg wrote: post #93
shmoogy wrote: post #33

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Unsure but league plays at like 100 FPS through Rosetta - better than intel igpu. I would expect they'll have an X version chip or future that are even more competitive with discrete laptop GPUs

League of Legends is not a demanding game. It will run at 120fps on a GTX 960 on max settings 1080p. (The 960 is about 1/4 as powerful as the current flagships according to passmark.)

We're talking about a laptop, and it sounds like you're talking about desktop GPUs, unless you meant GTX 960M.

Re: World of Warcraft 9.0.2 client runs natively on Apple Silicon

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Post by yyyk »

asdfasgasdgasdg wrote: post #91
yyyk wrote: post #31

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It still doesn't make sense for MS to push ARM that way - Apple isn't offering its ARM processors to 3rd parties. The best non-Apple processors are obviously x86 right now.

My question is what is the play for Intel and AMD right now? Are they shitting their pants or is this something that was somewhat expected given the progression of Apple's chips and their announced plans? Do Intel/AMD understand how Apple managed to so outmaneuver them? Is the performance gain Apple has delivered an inherent advantage of ARM over x86, and if so, does that imply that we are going to be seeing a migrat…

AMD is fine. Its processors are competitive (often superior) and it's gaining marketshare.

Intel has been in trouble for some time due to its own failure to downscale, a failure which has little to do with x86. They'd be losing to someone else if Apple/AMD hadn't been there.

Intel still has some time to recover: it has plenty of money, and Apple/AMD are unable right now to take full advantage of their position. Apple/AMD rely on a supplier (TSMC) which does not have the capacity the supply all or even most of the processor demand, so Intel gets quite a bit of marketshare almost by default.

Re: World of Warcraft 9.0.2 client runs natively on Apple Silicon

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Post by eznzt »

emadabdulrahim wrote: post #114

Just installed WoW on my M1 MBP and was blown away by the performance. I was running on battery, graphics set on max and the game was running 60fps without dropping a frame. And the fans never went on. How is this even possible on such a small machine? Here's a link for screenshots and video (notice how instant the game closes when exiting) https://www.notion.so/emads/MBP-M1-Chip-running-WoW-at-60fps...

This guy here gets around 43 fps on max: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mIbEIhizoXY

Re: World of Warcraft 9.0.2 client runs natively on Apple Silicon

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Post by Hamuko »

eznzt wrote: post #125
emadabdulrahim wrote: post #114

Just installed WoW on my M1 MBP and was blown away by the performance. I was running on battery, graphics set on max and the game was running 60fps without dropping a frame. And the fans never went on. How is this even possible on such a small machine? Here's a link for screenshots and video (notice how instant the game closes when exiting) https://www.notion.so/emads/MBP-M1-Chip-running-WoW-at-60fps...

This guy here gets around 43 fps on max: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mIbEIhizoXY

>it uses the intel version with rosetta 2 runs smooth.

That's not the native ARM version.

Re: World of Warcraft 9.0.2 client runs natively on Apple Silicon

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Post by eznzt »

Hamuko wrote: post #126
eznzt wrote: post #125

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This guy here gets around 43 fps on max: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mIbEIhizoXY

> it uses the intel version with rosetta 2 runs smooth. That's not the native ARM version.

Ah, that was stupid of me.

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Post by tallanvor »

to11mtm wrote: post #80
tw04 wrote: post #65

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>(and when it's all about people they just fail -- Windows Phone anyone?) Everyone I knew who had a windows phone seemed to love it. If MS were taking a run at it today it would likely succeed. The nail in the coffin was Google refusing to write a Youtube app for Windows Phone and THEN blocking the app that MS wrote themselves. I'm still shocked the EU didn't tear them apart on that move. It's about as anti-competiti…

I'd say the bigger nail in the coffin was, ironically, Microsoft's level of security/sandboxing. tl;dr - Snapchat and a lot of other 'killer apps' never were written for the platform, and at least some of that was because the apps on Android/iOS did things Microsoft wouldn't let you (I think tracking when the user took a screenshot was one)

Snapchat refused to make a Windows Phone app. Microsoft even offered developers and resources to help, and they still refused.

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Post by eecc »

tw04 wrote: post #65
oneplane wrote: post #62

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Microsoft is trying to have it both ways; turns out that's not what people really want (and when it's all about people they just fail -- Windows Phone anyone?), but because business clients (which generally doesn't mean the actual business end-users but some other department) tend to buy whatever looks good on paper. It all just keeps going on with no real improvements. This disconnect between people and products has…

>(and when it's all about people they just fail -- Windows Phone anyone?) Everyone I knew who had a windows phone seemed to love it. If MS were taking a run at it today it would likely succeed. The nail in the coffin was Google refusing to write a Youtube app for Windows Phone and THEN blocking the app that MS wrote themselves. I'm still shocked the EU didn't tear them apart on that move. It's about as anti-competiti…

Indeed, when I had a chance to play around with one I thought it was a pretty decent take for a first try.

I had no idea Google played this dirty trick, if that’s how it went they’d indeed deserve a thorough spanking for it.

I suspect Microsoft being Microsoft they must’ve made other blunders to murder the platform so badly though

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Post by eecc »

oneplane wrote: post #62
usrusr wrote: post #47

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Basically Apple is selling a cozy computing environment that some people really like, whereas the operating system division of Microsoft is selling a compatibility layer between a bazillion of long tail niche applications and every single piece of hardware in existence that isn't either significantly smaller or larger than a PC (phones, supercomputers) or made by Apple. If Microsoft had an LTS version of Windows 2000…

Microsoft is trying to have it both ways; turns out that's not what people really want (and when it's all about people they just fail -- Windows Phone anyone?), but because business clients (which generally doesn't mean the actual business end-users but some other department) tend to buy whatever looks good on paper. It all just keeps going on with no real improvements. This disconnect between people and products has…

I wonder how would it work if they ripped out all the crufty apps and UI configuration tools and replaced them with simple (dumbed down) controls like Gnome or Apple do.

All the more advanced knobs made available via Powershell, also like Gnome or Apple. Indeed any professionally managed configuration isn’t maintained with point’n’click panels anyway...

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