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Why Isn't Susan Wojcicki Getting Grilled by Congress?

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Re: Why Isn't Susan Wojcicki Getting Grilled by Congress?

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Post by crowf »

rualca wrote: post #10
lawnchair_larry wrote: post #3

> ”The platform is playing host to, and is an important vector for, spreading false claims of election victory and attempts to delegitimize Biden’s win.” This whole debate seems extremely disingenuous to me. What does it matter if people say Biden didn’t win? It changes nothing. People say all kinds of nonsense, a lot of it way more harmful than arguing over who won an election. I can’t believe the left are advocatin…

> What does it matter if people say Biden didn’t win? You're asking if rejecting the result of free and democratic elections and pushing for the subversion of a democratic regime by arguing in favour of installing an illegitimate ruler at the highest position in government matters. Well, it does matter if you intend in continue living in a democracy. In the past it didn't matter to those who pushed to overthrow democ…

> rejecting the result of free and democratic elections

Source that the past US election was free and democratic?

You don't need to answer. I admit, it is a bit of a troll question. I, and most Americans, believe that the reason that Biden appears to have won is because he won the most delegates who where selected based on a majority of the legal votes in their corresponding states. One of the reason that I trust the result of the election is because throughout history people have questioned the results, passed laws allowing many observers from all sides, kept a paper trail, and preformed recounts when the result was close and questioned. If, however, we are no longer allowed to question if the election is free and democratic, then I will no longer trust the results.

Re: Why Isn't Susan Wojcicki Getting Grilled by Congress?

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Post by lefrenchy »

joejerryronnie wrote: post #6
solipsism wrote: post #4

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Disinformation, especially political disinformation, has been shown to be extremely harmful and an existential threat to democracy. Have you been under a rock the past 4+ years?

Why is political and economic disinformation allowed from the left then?

Genuinely curious if you have examples you can provide here

Re: Why Isn't Susan Wojcicki Getting Grilled by Congress?

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Post by tgv »

0172 wrote: post #8
root_axis wrote: post #5

So YouTube is social media now? It's a video entertainment website with comments. Is netflix social media too? What about reddit? HN? Pornhub? What isn't social media.

Non user-generated content?

I would also think that the "social" in "social media" refers to human interaction and conversation.

Re: Why Isn't Susan Wojcicki Getting Grilled by Congress?

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Post by Barrin92 »

lawnchair_larry wrote: post #3

> ”The platform is playing host to, and is an important vector for, spreading false claims of election victory and attempts to delegitimize Biden’s win.” This whole debate seems extremely disingenuous to me. What does it matter if people say Biden didn’t win? It changes nothing. People say all kinds of nonsense, a lot of it way more harmful than arguing over who won an election. I can’t believe the left are advocatin…

>a lot of it way more harmful than arguing over who won an election.

there's not much that is more harmful than questioning the legitimate outcome of a democratic election. It can, and is very likely to be a precursor for violence and destabilisation of fundamental institutions.

This is not a matter of left and right, it's a matter of truthfulness and peaceful transition of power, which is the most fundamental mechanism in any functioning state.

Re: Why Isn't Susan Wojcicki Getting Grilled by Congress?

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Post by rualca »

crowf wrote: post #11
rualca wrote: post #10

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> What does it matter if people say Biden didn’t win? You're asking if rejecting the result of free and democratic elections and pushing for the subversion of a democratic regime by arguing in favour of installing an illegitimate ruler at the highest position in government matters. Well, it does matter if you intend in continue living in a democracy. In the past it didn't matter to those who pushed to overthrow democ…

> rejecting the result of free and democratic elections Source that the past US election was free and democratic? You don't need to answer. I admit, it is a bit of a troll question. I, and most Americans, believe that the reason that Biden appears to have won is because he won the most delegates who where selected based on a majority of the legal votes in their corresponding states. One of the reason that I trust the…

> Source that the past US election was free and democratic?

I'm not sure you're being serious.

In case you are, can you provide me with any example which supports the assertion that US voters haven't freely expressed their will in their vote, and that the winners of these elections don't reflect the will of the american people?

> I, and most Americans, believe that Biden appears to win is because he won the most delegates who where selected based on a majority of the legal votes in their corresponding states.

That's how your system has been working for a couple centuries, yes.

> One of the reason that I trust the result of the election is because throughout history people have questioned the results, passed laws allowing many observers from all sides, kept a paper trail, and preformed recounts when the result was close and questioned.

But that's not what's happening, isn't it?

I mean, the world is witnessing a candidate who lost the election insisting that he should continue in power, insisting in overriding the results of free and democratic elections to preserve himself in power, and meanwhile appealing to his supporters to use violence to push his goals.

Does it feel normal to you, let alone the hallmark of free and democratic elections, to have top military brass feeling the need to address the public to make it clear that they aren't tasked to obey the president, but the constitution?

Re: Why Isn't Susan Wojcicki Getting Grilled by Congress?

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Post by knaq »

rualca wrote: post #10
lawnchair_larry wrote: post #3

> ”The platform is playing host to, and is an important vector for, spreading false claims of election victory and attempts to delegitimize Biden’s win.” This whole debate seems extremely disingenuous to me. What does it matter if people say Biden didn’t win? It changes nothing. People say all kinds of nonsense, a lot of it way more harmful than arguing over who won an election. I can’t believe the left are advocatin…

> What does it matter if people say Biden didn’t win? You're asking if rejecting the result of free and democratic elections and pushing for the subversion of a democratic regime by arguing in favour of installing an illegitimate ruler at the highest position in government matters. Well, it does matter if you intend in continue living in a democracy. In the past it didn't matter to those who pushed to overthrow democ…

Pretty much everybody agrees with you: "rejecting the result of free and democratic elections and pushing for the subversion of a democratic regime by arguing in favour of installing an illegitimate ruler at the highest position in government matters"

That's kind of the problem really. Each side believes that the other is "arguing in favour of installing an illegitimate ruler".

Re: Why Isn't Susan Wojcicki Getting Grilled by Congress?

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Post by root_axis »

0172 wrote: post #8
root_axis wrote: post #5

So YouTube is social media now? It's a video entertainment website with comments. Is netflix social media too? What about reddit? HN? Pornhub? What isn't social media.

Non user-generated content?

So any site with a comment section is social media? You would consider pornhub and HN to be social media?

Re: Why Isn't Susan Wojcicki Getting Grilled by Congress?

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Post by rualca »

knaq wrote: post #16
rualca wrote: post #10

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> What does it matter if people say Biden didn’t win? You're asking if rejecting the result of free and democratic elections and pushing for the subversion of a democratic regime by arguing in favour of installing an illegitimate ruler at the highest position in government matters. Well, it does matter if you intend in continue living in a democracy. In the past it didn't matter to those who pushed to overthrow democ…

Pretty much everybody agrees with you: "rejecting the result of free and democratic elections and pushing for the subversion of a democratic regime by arguing in favour of installing an illegitimate ruler at the highest position in government matters" That's kind of the problem really. Each side believes that the other is "arguing in favour of installing an illegitimate ruler".

As an outsider, what I'm seeing is one side arguing that the election results are clear, and another side which is generating a constant stream of propaganda based on falsehoods and misrepresentations and theatrics to try to circumvent and ignore election results and push for the installment of an illegitimate ruler at the very top of the political system.

I mean, we're talking about a group of people who, for some reason, make grandiose public statements about how they are going to sue to throw out hundreds of thousands of votes because reasons, and that they don't disclose any supporting evidence to the public because it's a surprise, but once they get in front of a judge they can't even justify their presence there?

Come on.

Re: Why Isn't Susan Wojcicki Getting Grilled by Congress?

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Post by crowf »

rualca wrote: post #15
crowf wrote: post #11

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> rejecting the result of free and democratic elections Source that the past US election was free and democratic? You don't need to answer. I admit, it is a bit of a troll question. I, and most Americans, believe that the reason that Biden appears to have won is because he won the most delegates who where selected based on a majority of the legal votes in their corresponding states. One of the reason that I trust the…

> Source that the past US election was free and democratic? I'm not sure you're being serious. In case you are, can you provide me with any example which supports the assertion that US voters haven't freely expressed their will in their vote, and that the winners of these elections don't reflect the will of the american people? > I, and most Americans, believe that Biden appears to win is because he won the most dele…

> I'm not sure you're being serious.

Has you read the following line you would see that I was not. However, I can point a link to Montgomery county election workers filling in the circles on absentee ballots [0]. I unfortunately can't prove it to you, but I saw a confirmation that my friends grandmother's absentee ballot arrived. The only problem is that see has passed away a few years ago.

> But that's not what's happening, isn't it?

I'm not sure I'm understanding your double negative. I see that the election appears to be for the most part fair and that the questioning of the results are permitted within the legal framework.

> who lost the election

That is the question.

> hallmark of free and democratic elections, to have top military brass feeling the need to address the public to make it clear that they aren't tasked to obey the president, but the constitution?

It is it is. The fact the the top military leaders (not sure exactly who you are referring to) are able to freely exclaim that the follow the constitution, not a former president, is the Hallmark of democracy. Can you imagine what would happen if the Soviet milliary leaders demanded that Stalin hold a free election and that if Stalin lost and didn't step down, that he would be removed by force? Those leaders would either be executed or there would be a coup. I don't see any execution or coups goin on in America.

[0] The original has been censored from Google, but here is the county's response. https://www.washingtonpost.com/local/md-politics/ballot-frau...

Filling out someone's ballot, for whatever reason, doesn't spark integrity.

Re: Why Isn't Susan Wojcicki Getting Grilled by Congress?

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Post by vizzier »

root_axis wrote: post #17
0172 wrote: post #8

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Non user-generated content?

So any site with a comment section is social media? You would consider pornhub and HN to be social media?

Social media from wikipedia [1]:

- Social media are interactive Web 2.0 Internet-based applications.

- User-generated content such as text posts or comments, digital photos or videos, and data generated through all online interactions, is the lifeblood of social media.

- Users create service-specific profiles for the website or app that are designed and maintained by the social media organization.

- Social media facilitate the development of online social networks by connecting a user's profile with those of other individuals or groups.

By these definitions, though in their own niches, pornhub and HN are certainly social media along with youtube.

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