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The Makeup of the CCP Elite

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Re: The Makeup of the CCP Elite

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Post by peteretep »

mdorazio wrote: post #19
arbuge wrote: post #9

> Among this powerful elite which include all Central Committee members and provincial standing committee members, the share of women has gone up from a dismal 7.6% to a still-dismal 8.4% from the 18th CC to the 19th CC. Among the post-62 cohort active in the 19th CC, only 11% of the elite are women. To be sure, as more cadres in the post-62 cohort enter the vice-provincial elite, the share of women may rise, but it…

Worth noting is our own rather poor showing in elite politics in the US. Around 25% women in congress. And if you look at only Republicans it's under 9%. Yes, you read that correctly.

Something I’ve noticed about UK conservatism — and maybe it’s true for the US too — is that women and minorities are much better represented at the very top than at the MP/Congress level. The Tories have 25% female MPs, but are also responsible for both female PMs. Half of the Great Offices of State in the UK are currently occupied by minorities. And if you look at the historic willingness of the Tories to run ethnic and female candidates for very important roles, it’s considerably better than Labour: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Great_Offices_of_State

I guess all I’m saying is that it’s worth factoring in proximity to power rather than just raw numbers

Re: The Makeup of the CCP Elite

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Post by croissants »

justicezyx wrote: post #8
bigbubba wrote: post #4

Earlier quoted context omitted.

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It's not that Indians were magically disappearing on earth... I don't think your statement is baseless. But you are being emotional and completely dodges the OP's intention: I.e. US leadership have not been as competent in most major domestic areas as Chinese counterpart. BTW: US leadership probably caused more civilian death international than Chinese government's domestic figure. Probably 2-3 orders of magnitude mo…

> BTW: US leadership probably caused more civilian death international than Chinese government's domestic figure. Probably 2-3 orders of magnitude more. Iraq Syria etc.

Going off the conservative estimates, the CCP-led Great Leap Forward killed over 10 million people. 2-3 orders of magnitude more than that is 1-10 billion.

Re: The Makeup of the CCP Elite

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Post by hawkice »

wavefunction wrote: post #14
nickff wrote: post #6

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Well, looking at it from a game-theory perspective: It might just mean that you have to be #1 in your local communist party to move up to the regional one, and you have to be #1 in the regional one to move up to the national one. Your chances of qualifying for each round up are inversely proportional to the number of people you're competing against, and their abilities. In such a system, you're better off going to (o…

I am not exactly well-versed in Chinese culture but it seems like locals would have an advantage over carpet-baggers given my paltry understanding of guanxi.

It's worth considering the ancient history of viewing all central governments (including all the Emperors) as essentially being carpet baggers you can ignore if you're physically far enough away from them. So, this is the carpet-bagging elite.

Re: The Makeup of the CCP Elite

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Post by burnte »

bassman9000 wrote: post #23
spamizbad wrote: post #2

The CCP is terrible but there’s no question intellectually they outclass the United States’ geriatric leadership. Much more STEM too. We love our lawyers and business folk, don’t we?

How is it a good thing to have more efficient dictators?

China isn't ignoring climate change, understands geopolitics, learns from it's mistakes, etc. The US is falling behind in all of those areas.

Re: The Makeup of the CCP Elite

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Post by jychang »

bassman9000 wrote: post #23
spamizbad wrote: post #2

The CCP is terrible but there’s no question intellectually they outclass the United States’ geriatric leadership. Much more STEM too. We love our lawyers and business folk, don’t we?

How is it a good thing to have more efficient dictators?

The best system of government is a benevolent dictatorship. If you can’t make it less dictatorial, at least make it more benevolent.

Re: The Makeup of the CCP Elite

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Post by pasabagi »

peteretep wrote: post #21
mdorazio wrote: post #19

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Worth noting is our own rather poor showing in elite politics in the US. Around 25% women in congress. And if you look at only Republicans it's under 9%. Yes, you read that correctly.

Something I’ve noticed about UK conservatism — and maybe it’s true for the US too — is that women and minorities are much better represented at the very top than at the MP/Congress level. The Tories have 25% female MPs, but are also responsible for both female PMs. Half of the Great Offices of State in the UK are currently occupied by minorities. And if you look at the historic willingness of the Tories to run ethnic…

There's a simple logic to this. The center is left of the conservatives, so a woman or minority candidate allows them to capture swing voters. Racists and sexists will probably vote for them anyway.

It's why Angela Merkel is such an effective politician. She essentially monopolizes the right, while being able to take positions that the right wing hate (e.g. on the refugee crisis), knowing they won't stop voting for her.

Re: The Makeup of the CCP Elite

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Post by aikinai »

bassman9000 wrote: post #23
spamizbad wrote: post #2

The CCP is terrible but there’s no question intellectually they outclass the United States’ geriatric leadership. Much more STEM too. We love our lawyers and business folk, don’t we?

How is it a good thing to have more efficient dictators?

The comment says nothing about it being "good."

Re: The Makeup of the CCP Elite

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Post by chrisco255 »

jychang wrote: post #27
bassman9000 wrote: post #23

Earlier quoted context omitted.

How is it a good thing to have more efficient dictators?

The best system of government is a benevolent dictatorship. If you can’t make it less dictatorial, at least make it more benevolent.

Power corrupts. The only way to make a government more benevolent is to make it weaker.
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