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Intel in 2020 is IBM in 1980.
No Intel is back to 2002 with it p4. Give them a year or 2 and they are back with a new cpu. Don't forget that they have enough in their r&d pockets.
16-inch MBP 2x slower than M1 MacBook Air in a real-world Rust compile
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Re: 16-inch MBP 2x slower than M1 MacBook Air in a real-world Rust compile
#452I'm at the point where I need a new Macbook Pro and I can't help thinking I want the last generation of the x86_64 architecture, not the first generation of something new. Those have never paid off for me. At work, Intel would clearly be better. We do a growing amount of Docker work destined for Intel machines. But at home it's fuzzier, since I've been playing with k3s on a cluster of Pi clones. It's going to come do…
I'm unhappy with my MacBookPro16,1 I think it's slow, they keyboard is worse than that of my 2013 machine, the touchbar is useless and only produces heat. the fans are spinning 24/7 when an external monitor is connected. and a lot of the time the machine hangs. my next machine won't be an macbook pro. 3000€ for a machine that can't handle my load is simply not worth it. especially since machines with more power and h…
I’ve been wondering ever since if my laptop stand is making my heat situation worse or better.
Re: 16-inch MBP 2x slower than M1 MacBook Air in a real-world Rust compile
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Don't forget ARM's more relaxed memory model vs. x86's TSO.
One of the reasons Rosetta 2 works so well is Apple silicon sticks to the more restricted x86 memory model.
"A weak memory ordering model, like the one in Apple silicon, gives the processor more flexibility to reorder memory instructions and improve performance, but doesn’t add implicit memory barriers."
[1] https://developer.apple.com/documentation/apple_silicon/addr...
Re: 16-inch MBP 2x slower than M1 MacBook Air in a real-world Rust compile
#454About a decade ago I overcame my Apple skepticism and moved from Windows to Mac because the MacBook Air simply had better hardware that I couldn’t find for the same price in the Windows world. Apple laptops lost their hardware edge many years ago and are only now winning it back with Apple Silicon.
Re: 16-inch MBP 2x slower than M1 MacBook Air in a real-world Rust compile
#455Lol. Guy just measure that llvm compiler for arm64 target faster than compiler for x86_64 target. Fair comparison yeah.
Compiling shit and running tests is what you do when you're working on a software project in Rust. If suddenly your workflow is twice as fast, it's noticeable and this is the only thing that tweet claimed imo.
Re: 16-inch MBP 2x slower than M1 MacBook Air in a real-world Rust compile
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My guess is that they are releasing the M1 right now because it's the smallest SoC they're going to make and its yields are just barely enough to be viable. Once they get better yields on the 5nm process, they will start making the larger, more yield-sensitive SoCs with more RAM in them.
I don't think that makes any sense, considering that the RAM is not on the same die as the processor. It's on the module, yes, but they're not making it on the same process. I realize this image is a schematic representation rather than an actual photograph, but here it is. https://www.apple.com/v/mac/m1/a/images/overview/chip__fffqz...
If so, it's a incredibly shitty schematic. 0/10, would flunk any draftsman who turned this in for a class.
Re: 16-inch MBP 2x slower than M1 MacBook Air in a real-world Rust compile
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Laptop or desktop: likely, but even if the next Apple Watch will be faster, which I doubt, their smart speakers and headphones probably can do with a slower CPU for the next few years.
Is there a name for this trait of bringing unnecessary precision to a discussion, I wonder? I mean, contextually it’s obvious that the previous poster meant this is the slowest Apple Silicon that will ever exist in a relevant and comparable use case - i.e. a laptop or desktop. And the clarification that yes, slower Apple Silicon may exist for other use cases didn’t really add value to the discussion. And I’m not even…
And yet, even though I often believe nitpicks to be unnecessary parts of any discussion, I also believe there is a certain value to the kind of thinking that leads one to be nitpicky. A good programmer is often nitpicky, because if they aren't they'll write buggy code. The same for scientists, for whom nitpicking is almost the whole point of the job.
It's just an odd duality where nitpicking is good for certain kinds of work, but fails to be useful in discussions.
Re: 16-inch MBP 2x slower than M1 MacBook Air in a real-world Rust compile
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> It's going to come down to games, I think. Although I haven't had much time for them lately. I've moved to consoles for games. Rarely I play a game on my Mac anymore. When you sit behind your desk all day for work. Playing games in that same environment and posture gets tiring. The console brings the games to the living room TV in a much more confortable setting.
Totally agree. Largely quitting PC gaming has been a productivity boon for me. I think somehow the activity being at the same machine I use for work drains my work energy, and for whatever reason the console experience is sufficiently different that it doesn't feel like the same activity.
Re: 16-inch MBP 2x slower than M1 MacBook Air in a real-world Rust compile
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I can't help but chuckle whenever I read these comments on HN about how doomed Intel is. Intel just does this . Every now and then, they get so far ahead that the rest of the market just totally disintegrates, which allows them to screw around and juice up their margins while failing to actually innovate. Their brand is so strong it takes years for it to erode, even when they do suck, and when they have actual compet…
> Intel just does this. Every now and then, they get so far ahead that the rest of the market just totally disintegrates, (...) Past performance does not guarantee future results. Keep in mind you're trying to pin magical properties on a brand, and meanwhile people and technologies come and go.
I wouldn't call it a KO until Intel 7nm chips come out. At that time, we'll see if this is a comeback story or just another IBM.
Re: 16-inch MBP 2x slower than M1 MacBook Air in a real-world Rust compile
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I can't help but chuckle whenever I read these comments on HN about how doomed Intel is. Intel just does this . Every now and then, they get so far ahead that the rest of the market just totally disintegrates, which allows them to screw around and juice up their margins while failing to actually innovate. Their brand is so strong it takes years for it to erode, even when they do suck, and when they have actual compet…
14nm was delayed, 10nm was massively delayed, 7nm is delayed again. That's a fairly long run of underperformance. Sure, they sit on enough money that they can recover if they do it right. But there currently aren't any signals that they're getting things right.
If Boeing had delayed the rollout of the MAX 8, or even simply reduced the production rate, it may have been able to identify and rectify the MCAS failure mode, thus preventing suspension of the MAX aircraft. In retrospect, they could have delivered more aircraft prior to the pandemic and avoided many of the order cancellations that it brought.
Sometimes, it's better to go slowly and get things right than to forge ahead at full steam. We won't know if these 7nm delays are good or bad for Intel, until 7nm actually rolls out.