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Apple MacBook Pro with M1 Review

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Re: Apple MacBook Pro with M1 Review

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Post by vinni2 »

cptskippy wrote: post #77
pembrook wrote: post #37

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Not only is most desktop software not well suited to touch interactions, touchscreens on laptops are also an ergonomic nightmare. Try reaching your hand up to touch your monitor and hold it there for a minute. Now try pretending you’ll do this for an 8 hour workday. It’s a useless feature in search of a use-case.

You're envisioning using a touchscreen device much like you'd use your smartphone which is flawed to say the least. Having used a touchscreen laptop for the last 6+ years, I assure you there's a place for touch in laptops. The arguments against touch on a laptop are much like arguing against any other peripheral used. > Try reaching your hand up to touch your monitor and hold it there for a minute. Now try pretending…

All my touch needs in laptop are satisfied by the track pad. I have Apple Magic Trackpad instead of a mouse. I never felt need for a mouse or touching my screen.

Re: Apple MacBook Pro with M1 Review

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Post by aesthesia »

zepto wrote: post #79
fjdjsmsm wrote: post #70

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You can pinch to zoom with a trackpad. I too assume touch based Macs are coming at some point. But I expect them to live alongside conventional laptops for as long as people continue to buy them. Whenever I’ve tried different kind of convertibles they’ve felt like compromises. The tablet and the laptop seem like the best version of each.

Not everyone can use a trackpad.

I’m curious: when would someone be able to use a touchscreen to pinch to zoom, but not be able to use a trackpad to make the same gesture? Is this an accessibility issue or just a question of what hardware is present?

Re: Apple MacBook Pro with M1 Review

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Post by jaequery »

kabes wrote: post #13
oatmeal_croc wrote: post #7

Is any web developer planning to get the new Apple Silicon Macs? How's docker support (for ARM and x86 images)? Do the major IDEs work on Rosetta? What's support looking like for languages like GO, Rust now/in the near future?

Docker is a wip: https://www.docker.com/blog/apple-silicon-m1-chips-and-docke... .

Docker never really worked well on Mac to begin with.

Can’t wait for it to work how it should have worked from day one.

Re: Apple MacBook Pro with M1 Review

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Post by zepto »

aesthesia wrote: post #82
zepto wrote: post #79

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Not everyone can use a trackpad.

I’m curious: when would someone be able to use a touchscreen to pinch to zoom, but not be able to use a trackpad to make the same gesture? Is this an accessibility issue or just a question of what hardware is present?

An accessibility issue. Plenty of people with RSI for example can use a vertical mouse or other adapted pointing device, but not use a trackpad.

Orientation matters a lot.

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Post by cptskippy »

vinni2 wrote: post #81
cptskippy wrote: post #77

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You're envisioning using a touchscreen device much like you'd use your smartphone which is flawed to say the least. Having used a touchscreen laptop for the last 6+ years, I assure you there's a place for touch in laptops. The arguments against touch on a laptop are much like arguing against any other peripheral used. > Try reaching your hand up to touch your monitor and hold it there for a minute. Now try pretending…

All my touch needs in laptop are satisfied by the track pad. I have Apple Magic Trackpad instead of a mouse. I never felt need for a mouse or touching my screen.

People said similar things about mice, scroll wheels, and trackpads.

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Post by wildrhythms »

odshoifsdhfs wrote: post #47
oatmeal_croc wrote: post #7

Is any web developer planning to get the new Apple Silicon Macs? How's docker support (for ARM and x86 images)? Do the major IDEs work on Rosetta? What's support looking like for languages like GO, Rust now/in the near future?

I just got one mbp. Still in box and will only open after dinner. If you want to ping me in a week or so for feedback: brunomtsousa @-that-G company-mail-service.com

Can you share some first impressions? I do front-end web dev mostly, using vim and sometimes VS Code, and usually with a Twitch stream in the background... thinking I might trade in this big 16-inch MBP for the M1 MBP.

Re: Apple MacBook Pro with M1 Review

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Post by shmoogy »

tonymet wrote: post #55
oatmeal_croc wrote: post #7

Is any web developer planning to get the new Apple Silicon Macs? How's docker support (for ARM and x86 images)? Do the major IDEs work on Rosetta? What's support looking like for languages like GO, Rust now/in the near future?

Docker images are meant to be built once and run everywhere–tested on your dev server, test environment and production. If you buy an ARM mac, it would be ideal to run ARM instances in the datacenter, but those are uncommon and expensive. I discourage people from building ARM images and then rebuilding intel images later in the software lifecycle.

The AWS ARM instances are cheap and fast, highly recommend if your workload supports.

Re: Apple MacBook Pro with M1 Review

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Post by tonymet »

shmoogy wrote: post #88
tonymet wrote: post #55

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Docker images are meant to be built once and run everywhere–tested on your dev server, test environment and production. If you buy an ARM mac, it would be ideal to run ARM instances in the datacenter, but those are uncommon and expensive. I discourage people from building ARM images and then rebuilding intel images later in the software lifecycle.

The AWS ARM instances are cheap and fast, highly recommend if your workload supports.

no one uses them yet. If you're using them, buy an M1

Re: Apple MacBook Pro with M1 Review

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Post by hazz99 »

gumby wrote: post #59
tonyedgecombe wrote: post #22

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I've been wondering about that. I have a suspicion that the sales volumes don't justify the effort Apple needs to put into a device like that. On the other hand it would be nice to see a slightly more grown up MacMini, something with expansion in mind.

I have long believed the Mac Pro is a marketing tool that they could happily sell at a “loss” — Using quotes because the difference could be considered a marketing expense. Given the price it likely is sold for more than cost; I’m sure the pricing is marketing driven too. It doesn’t just drag the top end of pricing upwards (the classic cheap/middle/extravagant split that drives buyers to the middle) but sends a messa…

But wasn’t the monitor+stand cheaper than other professional monitors of similar quality? I remember it being cheaper, if not in a similar price range.

It seems more that they’re aimed at very different customers and use cases, rather than “extravagance”

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