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Re: We can do better than DuckDuckGo

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post #101

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Well, ideas are much easier than implementations.

It's kind of amazing how many people think an idea is the biggest part of a viable product.

So you want to build a team and organize finances first? That doesn't seem like a bad idea... wait...

Re: We can do better than DuckDuckGo

#192

> Instead, it should crawl a whitelist of domains, or “tier 1” domains. These would be the limited mainly to authoritative or high-quality sources for their respective specializations, and would be weighed upwards in search results. Not a big fan of this conclusion. Who chooses the white list, and why should I trust them? Is it democratically chosen? Just because a site is popular very clear does not mean it's trustw…

This is not about a single search engine instance replacing all your search engine needs.

There could be a community of Software developers running one instance of the OS search engine that focuses on programmers needs: documentation, vcs hosters, dev blogs, tech news websites and on topic blogs. Great if you need to search for how to solve a software issue, terrible if you need to figure out how long to cook spaghetti.

The lists of crawled pages i guess would be visible/searchable too, at least on instances that you could trust.

If you don't like the list, and the maintainers for whatever reason don't want to change it to your liking, feel free to use another instance or set one up yourself.

Re: We can do better than DuckDuckGo

#193

> Instead, it should crawl a whitelist of domains, or “tier 1” domains. These would be the limited mainly to authoritative or high-quality sources for their respective specializations, and would be weighed upwards in search results. Not a big fan of this conclusion. Who chooses the white list, and why should I trust them? Is it democratically chosen? Just because a site is popular very clear does not mean it's trustw…

Chose your list of favorites, or subscribe to someone whose curation you trust. No worse than trusting Google/Twitter/Facebook/etc.

In other words, this is precisely how a market functions.

Re: We can do better than DuckDuckGo

#194
post #148

How would anybody ever know what the server is running and/or doing with the data you send it, regardless of if it is running open or closed source code? A service, running on somebody else's machine, is essntially closed. I think the only way to have an 'open' service is to have it managed like a co-op, where the users all have access to deployment logs or other such transparency. Even then, it requires implicit tru…

> How would anybody ever know what the server is running and/or doing with the data you send it, regardless of if it is running open or closed source code? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Homomorphic_encryption

hah, gave me a picture of a base plate ontowhich one can click on top an infinite number of hardisk enclosures or additional base plates to the 4 sides.

You get a subscription and the index updates (enclosure+preloaded drive) are send to you periodically.

The front of the enclosure says: 2020 4th quarter

Re: We can do better than DuckDuckGo

#195
post #60

SEO is crushing the utility of Google. It is pretty telling when you need to add things like site:reddit.com to get anything of value. Harnessing real user experiences (blogs, etc) is the key to a better search engine. This model unfortunately crumbles under walled gardens which is increasingly the preferred location of user activity.

> Harnessing real user experiences (blogs, etc) This is what we need more than anything. More independent blogs. The ability to search events now, or 10 years ago, mass indexing of RSS feeds, etc. A general search engine is kinda way out of the ballpark for now. But you could specialize for long form blogs, from all sides, hard-left, hard-right, women in tech, white supremacists, all the extremes and moderates. I've…

> More independent blogs.

The problem is that content farms have mastered the art of writing like an ostensibly independent blog. This is most visible in recipe blogs, where for example the site will look independent, the blog owner’s "About Me" page will say that she is a young woman born and raised in Louisiana and passionate about her home region’s cooking, but the English is replete with the sort of mistakes that non-native speakers make. You can tell that the content writing was farmed out to someone from Eastern Europe or Southeast Asia, and basically the whole blog and its owner are fake. (Even all the recipes were drawn from other blogs, but someone was paid to rewrite them slightly.)

Re: We can do better than DuckDuckGo

#196
post #192

> Instead, it should crawl a whitelist of domains, or “tier 1” domains. These would be the limited mainly to authoritative or high-quality sources for their respective specializations, and would be weighed upwards in search results. Not a big fan of this conclusion. Who chooses the white list, and why should I trust them? Is it democratically chosen? Just because a site is popular very clear does not mean it's trustw…

This is not about a single search engine instance replacing all your search engine needs. There could be a community of Software developers running one instance of the OS search engine that focuses on programmers needs: documentation, vcs hosters, dev blogs, tech news websites and on topic blogs. Great if you need to search for how to solve a software issue, terrible if you need to figure out how long to cook spaghet…

This is the single suggestion that got me excited, instead of a behemoth do-it-all engine, have focused search engines. Exciting idea.

Re: We can do better than DuckDuckGo

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post #196
post #192

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This is not about a single search engine instance replacing all your search engine needs. There could be a community of Software developers running one instance of the OS search engine that focuses on programmers needs: documentation, vcs hosters, dev blogs, tech news websites and on topic blogs. Great if you need to search for how to solve a software issue, terrible if you need to figure out how long to cook spaghet…

This is the single suggestion that got me excited, instead of a behemoth do-it-all engine, have focused search engines. Exciting idea.

Then who makes the search engine to search for those search engines?

Re: We can do better than DuckDuckGo

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post #160
post #70

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Drew has a longstanding history of ill-informed rants ([1] [2]) about technology. He's also quite willing to lie about the facts[3]. [1] https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=24121609 [2] https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=23966778 [3] https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=24023998

Just don't give him IRC ops and then get into a private argument with him. https://www.omnimaga.org/news/omnomirc-moved-to-new-server/m...

Quite apart from this type of attack breaking the site guidelines and not being allowed on HN (about which see https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=25130908)... that was 9 years ago. Imagine being publicly shamed for the worst thing you've done in the past decade. I don't think anyone is going to pass that test.

Is this the kind of world you (or any of us) really want to be part of? Surely not. Therefore please don't help to create it here.

Re: We can do better than DuckDuckGo

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post #196

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This is the single suggestion that got me excited, instead of a behemoth do-it-all engine, have focused search engines. Exciting idea.

Then who makes the search engine to search for those search engines?

Bring back link rings :)
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