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We can do better than DuckDuckGo

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Re: We can do better than DuckDuckGo

#71
> If SourceHut eventually grows in revenue — at least 5-10× its present revenue — I intend to sponsor this as a public benefit project, with no plans for generating revenue.

I like this attitude. Makes me happy to be a paying member of SourceHut.

Re: We can do better than DuckDuckGo

#72
post #21

> they’ve demonstrated gross incompetence in privacy Not sure I buy the example that is given here. 1. It's an issue in their browser app, not their search service. 2. It's not completely indefensible: it allows fetching favicons (potentially) much faster, since they're cached, and they promise that the favicon service is 100% anonymous anyway. 3. They responded to user feedback and switched to fetching favicons loca…

I think Google sort of takes into account "votes", in that they look at the last thing you clicked on from that search, and consider that the "right answer", which they then feed back into their results.

As such, they effectively have a list of "tier 1" domains.

Re: We can do better than DuckDuckGo

#73
Check out the serious difficulties the Common Crawl had with crawling 1% of the public internet on donated money and then get back to me with a plan. This is really, really hard to do for free. Maybe talk to Gates :)

Re: We can do better than DuckDuckGo

#74

The way I'd code a better search engine is I'd design an ML model that's trained to recognize handwritten HTML like this, and only add those to the index. It'd be cheap to crawl probably only needing a single computer to run the whole search engine. It'd resurrect The Old Web, that still exists, but just got buried beneath the spammy SEO optimized grifter web over the years as normies flooded the scene.

I hope to never use your search engine. I love hand written HTML as much as the next guy, but search engine's are made to find things. And useful information exists on web sites that use generated and/or minified HTML.

Re: We can do better than DuckDuckGo

#75
post #35
post #7

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Do you have a search engine that you prefer to use that claims not to store said information that I might try?

I can hand on heart tell you that Mojeek doesn’t and never has. I know this because I work for Mojeek.

Hi. I took a look at Mojeek (first time I've heard about it) and since you mentioned the site and you work there -

In your Privacy page (Data Usage Section) there is a mention of stored "Browser Data" & " These logs contain the time of visit, page requested, possibly referral data, and located in a separate log browser information." & "We may also use aggregate, non-personal search data to improve our results".

This is an honest question - How is that not exactly what the Parent stated was the issue?

    So they save your web searches and claim that they do so in an non-personally identifiable way.

Re: We can do better than DuckDuckGo

#76
post #64

is somebody aware of a project where the end-user Browser acts as a Crawler? it already spent the energy to render the content. Readability.js extracts page section, does some processing for keywords, hashes anchor links, signs it and sends it off. Cache-Control response headers indicate if the page is public or private. Of course, where it is sending to will have an electricity bill to pay to index the submissions.

The idealist in me fantasizes this is possible with a browser-based P2P zettelkasten.

Re: We can do better than DuckDuckGo

#77
Am I the only person who just doesn't have problems with DDG search results?

What am I doing wrong (or right), here? I put a thing in and find it. I just don't use Google any more.

Genuinely curious why it's working for me and such garbage for everyone else.

Re: We can do better than DuckDuckGo

#78

My main problem with DDG is that there's no way to be sure they actually respect their users' privacy as they claim to. Ideally, services like theirs would be continuously audited by respectable, trusted organizations like the EFF.. multiple such organizations even. Then I'd have at least some reason to believe their claims of not collecting data about me. As it stands, I only have their word for it.. which in this d…

Facebook and Google are huge, global companies where their main product is free, and yet they aren't a charity. The only way to be mega-rich and offer something free is to be shady and manipulative with user's data. Exploiting privacy is their business model. They aren't gonna respect it.

Being super financially successful off free products and services is not a recipe for an honest, citizen respecting company.

Re: We can do better than DuckDuckGo

#79

How would anybody ever know what the server is running and/or doing with the data you send it, regardless of if it is running open or closed source code? A service, running on somebody else's machine, is essntially closed. I think the only way to have an 'open' service is to have it managed like a co-op, where the users all have access to deployment logs or other such transparency. Even then, it requires implicit tru…

That sounds a bit like YaCy.[1] It is a program that apparently lets you host a search engine on your own machine, or have it run as a P2P node.

I think the next step forward should be to have indices that can be shared/sold for use with local mode. So you might buy specialised indices for particular fields, or general ones like what Google has. The size of Google's index is measured in petabytes, so a normal person would still not have the capability to run something like that locally.

Edit: In another thread, ddorian43 has pointed out the existence of Common Crawl,[2] which provides Web crawl data for free. I have no idea if it can be integrated with YaCy, but it is there.

1. https://yacy.net/

2. https://commoncrawl.org/

Re: We can do better than DuckDuckGo

#80
Privacy or not I'm starting to find things on ddg that google has been filtering.

I found out through comments on hn that 8chan was backup under a new name: 8kun

Typing it into google I get articles about it but no link in the results.

In duckduckgo first link.

Made me think what else am I missing?

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