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Something strange seems to have happened to America in the past ten or so years. People seem to have become hyper-literal and unable to detect any sarcasm, hyperbole, etc. I wonder whether this is due to spending more and more time communicating via the written word.

It probably wasn't a death threat, but I could see how someone might interpret that way. In the past 10 years? Deliberate misinterpretation of a joke or sarcasm is not a new thing.

I mean, it's certainly not a plausible death threat. Steve Bannon isn't in charge of anything anymore, and I don't think he would be put in charge again, even if there was a second term.

It could be a non-plausible death threat though. And it's probably glorification of violence. I'd hate to be an arbiter of policies like this though. There's a line here between legally sanctionable speech (which I don't think this quote is), and what Twitter allows on its site.

Re: Watch live: Zuckerberg, Dorsey testify before Senate [video]

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Right, "creepy" is the word you used above. You're welcome to entertain an eccentric definition of "freedom of speech" that doesn't include one of the major freedom of speech issues of our time. It's just very odd.

At least now you're mocking my actual opinion. That's probably all the progress we'll make here :)

:)

Re: Watch live: Zuckerberg, Dorsey testify before Senate [video]

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These hearings just show how they have an impossible task. * Question 1: Why did you put labels on the president's tweets? What gives you the right to determine that? Putting a label on is completely outrageous! * Question 2: You labelled the presidents tweet as 'potentially misleading' - but this didn't go far enough, as it was fully misleading! Why are you not harsh enough on fake news?! There needs to be a separat…

Twitter is doing what I wish all services would do with misinformation. Avoid putting misinformation into feeds, attempt to direct people to rectifying information, but let the misinformation exist so as not to martyr it

> Avoid putting misinformation into feeds

Twitter intentionally puts irrelevant tweets from people you don’t follow into your feed.

Re: Watch live: Zuckerberg, Dorsey testify before Senate [video]

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Quote from Sen. Graham's opening address:

"I don't want the government to take over the job of telling America what tweets are legitimate and what are not. I don't want the government deciding what content to take up or put down -- I think we're all in that category -- but when companies have the POWER of governments..."

The word "but" obliterates everything that came before it...

Re: Watch live: Zuckerberg, Dorsey testify before Senate [video]

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i'll entertain this fan-fiction you're describing a "deal with the devil". who do you propose is the "mafia" like entity they're dealing with that will "break their legs" if they back out of their job? Epstein blackmail maybe?

Public markets

well, i think i get what you're saying, but i disagree with your definition of "trapped"

Re: Watch live: Zuckerberg, Dorsey testify before Senate [video]

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Twitter is doing what I wish all services would do with misinformation. Avoid putting misinformation into feeds, attempt to direct people to rectifying information, but let the misinformation exist so as not to martyr it

> Avoid putting misinformation into feeds Twitter intentionally puts irrelevant tweets from people you don’t follow into your feed.

Sounds like a publisher to me.

Re: Watch live: Zuckerberg, Dorsey testify before Senate [video]

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I'm curious what other people think the informational value of these hearings are. It seems like it is either posturing and grandstanding, or reasonable questions to which evasive or non-answers are given. Edit: Oh no it's Lindsey Graham, so probably more grandstanding. Edit 2: Editorializing here, they're threatening to take away section 230 safe harbor protections as a punishment for "censoring" right wing content…

Hearings of this type can like legal depositions. The goal is to get statements into public record and pin down the answers to be used later. Ideally congress would delegate this job to top lawyers who would go list of questions very methodologically. Making these hearings public and televised has made them into a show. Congressmen make questions that are more like statements in order to please their voters and lots…

It didn't pin down Graham on supporting a late-term Supreme Court nominee, even though he's on the record as not supporting them.

Re: Watch live: Zuckerberg, Dorsey testify before Senate [video]

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I'm curious what other people think the informational value of these hearings are. It seems like it is either posturing and grandstanding, or reasonable questions to which evasive or non-answers are given. Edit: Oh no it's Lindsey Graham, so probably more grandstanding. Edit 2: Editorializing here, they're threatening to take away section 230 safe harbor protections as a punishment for "censoring" right wing content…

> I'm curious what other people think the informational value of these hearings are. I want to hear from conservatives why they think most of (if not all) of big tech is "in the pockets of the Democrats". Why do all of these software engineers/IT field workers typically end up as left-leaning? Is it a matter of education/intelligence? Empathy? I feel like the split has to be at least 85% Democrat / 15% Republican in…

I don't know what being conservative is these days.

Other than decreasing taxes and anti-abortion position, I can't think of anything else that conservatives support which wouldn't be unreasonable by their own system.

Re: Watch live: Zuckerberg, Dorsey testify before Senate [video]

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I disagree, and am glad you clarified your position. My view is that these companies are privately run and online communities should be free to run them as they wish. If, say, Christian Mingle wants to ban atheists from using the platform to spread their message, they should be allowed to do that without suddenly taking on liability for things like copyright infringement. If a woodworking community wants to ban discu…

If I, as a user of social media, want to belong to a community that removes misinformation around the election, government shouldn't ban such a platform from allowing to exist (since without 230, You continue to indicate that you haven't actually listened to the arguments made. The Republican argument is not about whether or not a company can censor information on their platform. In no way is it about the government'…

If your concerns were truly about "everyday people" having a day in court, then it wouldn't be conditional upon these platforms not adopting your preferred speech policies.

Please explain why my woodworking community should be responsible for a user libeling another user about, say, their professional woodwork just because the forum has a "no politics" rule, for example. Or even a "politics sure but no Nazis" rule. What sense does this make? Let private companies compete in the marketplace. If folks don't like policies, they can switch services. No need to rewrite 230 to punish or reward companies based on their speech policies.

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I love your characterization of the Republican party as just honest people who get censored by the big bad censoring Democrats. Let's take this election for example. Republican leaders and officials have jumped on the misinformation train and are now peddling unfounded claims of election and voter fraud. Twitter keeps suppressing those tweets and tagging them as fake, this in turn makes the Republicans mad because th…

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I see, i apologize.
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