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South Dakota nurse says many dying patients still insist Covid-19 'not real'

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Re: South Dakota nurse says many dying patients still insist Covid-19 'not real'

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Post by NikolaeVarius »

Diederich wrote: post #195
dkural wrote: post #119

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Why do you think they're good and smart, why do they think Covid19 is a hoax? Surely a good person would try to do the safe thing even if they had doubts.

I worked with a guy named Danny many years ago. He was one of the smartest programmers I'd ever met. Not only did he write great code, but he also always maintained an excellent connection to the his customers who would use the programs he wrote. This was in a hospital. Personally, he was kind, generous, excellent family man. He never really talked too much about politics, didn't care too much for it. He also helped…

I guess Snow Crash is out in the wild.

Did he seem "normal" outside the covid stuff>

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Post by clairity »

ben0x539 wrote: post #347
clairity wrote: post #305

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rather than moralizing angrily ('fucks'), why not try to hone in on what you're worried about exactly? were you really in danger? if you'd have focused more on the lack of distancing indoors, that might have been a legitimate concern. but masks are for show in most places, at most times, and your focus on them indicates a retreat to symbolism rather than effect. the primary appeal of masks is for quelling fear and an…

what's your take on https://www.nytimes.com/2020/04/20/health/airflow-coronaviru... ?

as an instance of seeing what we want to see in what is otherwise a random event (like flipping 6 heads in a row is not that uncommon over lots of flips).

the simpler, more likely explanation is that those were three different sets of transmissions that happened to be sitting next to each other in a restaurant at the same time, with a clever narrative tying it together. cleverness restrains our otherwise natural skepticism.

we'd likely have seen dozens of similar stories if this was a significant mode of transmission. and nyt is biased and partisan enough to have featured those stories prominently if they'd have been available.

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Post by Bombthecat »

ghthor wrote: post #346
irq11 wrote: post #273

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> Much of it is due to private gatherings without masks, gyms, and maybe bars and restaurants. Prove it. When cases go down, it’s because of masks. When they go up in the same place, it’s because people suddenly stopped wearing them , but no proof is provided for either assertion.

COVID is a cult. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mcm8Sc8f66o

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Re: South Dakota nurse says many dying patients still insist Covid-19 'not real'

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Post by _-david-_ »

munificent wrote: post #141
jdhn wrote: post #104

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>From what I've seen, South Dakota is nearly out of ICU beds Do you have a source for this?

According to the South Dakota Department of Health site, they 36.2% of the ICU beds are currently available [1]. According to this article [2], that count includes NICU (infant) beds, which will not be very helpful for COVID-19, which mostly seriously infects adults. [1]: https://doh.sd.gov/news/Coronavirus.aspx [2]: https://apnews.com/article/virus-outbreak-sioux-falls-voting...

How many beds are usually available? If there is, for example, only typically 40% of ICU beds available then being at 36% isn't that bad.

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Post by NikolaeVarius »

subsubzero wrote: post #215
aazaa wrote: post #77

Politics seems to be a factor here, but I wonder how much of this has to do with popular culture. Over the last 20 years we've been bombarded with metric tons of Apocalypse porn, a lot of it focused on killer viruses. Most of those movies are unrealistic to put it mildly. Zombies. Deserted cities. Rotting corpses on sidewalks. Visible, palpable nauseating death. This pandemic is nothing like those movies. I know of n…

I don't know stuff has been pretty apocalyptic the past 9 months. In San Jose a normally busy clean commercial street was boarded up on every store front with graffiti on most boards(BLM riots/protests). Trash was everywhere. Everyone was wearing masks. In NYC in April mobile morgue trucks flooded the city as the dead exceeded the capacity of the city's morgues. Drive by some parking lots and see hundreds of cars wai…

The power works, water runs, food is delivered, and I stil get bills and spam in the mail

This is not an apocalypse scenario. There were supply shocks, but thats a function of JIT living that naturally makes things extremely fragile.

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Post by Pyramus »

subsubzero wrote: post #215
aazaa wrote: post #77

Politics seems to be a factor here, but I wonder how much of this has to do with popular culture. Over the last 20 years we've been bombarded with metric tons of Apocalypse porn, a lot of it focused on killer viruses. Most of those movies are unrealistic to put it mildly. Zombies. Deserted cities. Rotting corpses on sidewalks. Visible, palpable nauseating death. This pandemic is nothing like those movies. I know of n…

I don't know stuff has been pretty apocalyptic the past 9 months. In San Jose a normally busy clean commercial street was boarded up on every store front with graffiti on most boards(BLM riots/protests). Trash was everywhere. Everyone was wearing masks. In NYC in April mobile morgue trucks flooded the city as the dead exceeded the capacity of the city's morgues. Drive by some parking lots and see hundreds of cars wai…

> This stuff is like nothing I have ever seen in my life and my parents and grandparents lives as well.

My personal experience doesn't match that. I'm German, so my grandparents on both sides were involved in WWII. I grew up with the stories of what they had to go through. My grandmother had to flee after the war when she was ten on a 24h notice, being allowed to carry only one suitcase and give up all other possessions. Hunger was rampant, people foraged in the woods for acorns. Bread with mustard was a delicacy.

I think we should be grateful that for most Western countries, the last 2-3 generations have seen an incredible, unprecedented period of stability and peace.

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Post by Bombthecat »

clairity wrote: post #357
mikelockz wrote: post #337

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> the primary appeal of masks is for quelling fear and anxiety, not preventing spread. The appeal of masks for me is definitely to lower spread. Yes there is signaling, but also because masks reduce amount of possibly covid-infected droplets expelled from the mouth and nose while breathing and speaking. It is not possible to have a 6 foot bubble around everybody at all times. It is possible to always wear a mask. Thi…

that's rationalization, not science. feel free to wear a mask everywhere if it makes you feel better and aligns with your mediosocial affiliations, but the breadth of science show that masks are effective in specific, marginal situations, not everywhere, and that its population-level effects are drowned out by other, better mitigations.

Then let the doctors operate without masks, since its not working anyway.

What a joke.

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Post by maigret »

matz1 wrote: post #74
skyzyx wrote: post #26

Yes, the pandemic fatigue is real. Yes, it would be wonderful to hang out with my friends in person, or to drive 100 miles crossing the border to go visit my children. But the reason this is lasting so long, and things are shutting back down is because people are ignoring the truth. You can talk about the economy all day long, but the fact of the matter is that if we all would’ve taken this seriously and shut everyth…

I oppose lockdown/shut down, doesn't mean I don't believe that covid is real, nor I believe there is 0 risk from covid but simply I'm comparing the cost/risk of lockdown vs cost/risk of covid. I acknowledge though that this cost/risk can be very subjective.

So what do you think of intensive care bed running out and people dying at the hospital entrances like in Italy? Also, what is the cost you speak about? How many minutes of Bezos income? How many F35? How many days of US budget deficit?

I mean avoiding lockdown is possible at a certain time. After a certain threshold of infection it becomes unavoidable. But lockdown or no lockdown, this must be done right. A few places have not done it right, for example Spain letting people party in the summer or France with packed cafes.

A friend of mine explained it well. When treated, COVID has a mortality of .5%. We are doing better than in March because for example elderly care person wear masks and isolate properly the risk population. If they wouldn’t, the mortality would be in the low percents, which would already be a lot. But when you are running out of ICU capacity, then you land in the 10% deaths. That’s what everyone is trying to avoid at the moment.

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Post by clairity »

kn0where wrote: post #379
clairity wrote: post #357

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that's rationalization, not science. feel free to wear a mask everywhere if it makes you feel better and aligns with your mediosocial affiliations, but the breadth of science show that masks are effective in specific, marginal situations, not everywhere, and that its population-level effects are drowned out by other, better mitigations.

Maybe we’ve been reading very different breadths of science. Saying masks only work in a small number of situations sounds more like rationalization for not wearing one when we know aerosols are a major source of spread, and that masks significantly reduce aerosol transmission.

aerosols are not a significant source of spread. otherwise, we'd have been inundated with specific stories and studies proving it. distancing overwhelms the effects of masks in nearly all common interaction cases.
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