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South Dakota nurse says many dying patients still insist Covid-19 'not real'

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Re: South Dakota nurse says many dying patients still insist Covid-19 'not real'

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>The free market is right there, refusing to address shortages and price gouging you for essential supplies It's hardly a free market when there's anti price gouging laws.

So if we let them take more advantage of the situation then it will improve?

Who’s going to invest anything in solving this problem, knowing we will indignantly refuse to compensate them? There would be stockpiles and reserve factory capacity if only we allowed them to be worth keeping.

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"The state" refers to the governing apparatus, not a particular state within the union. I understand there may be some confusion if you are not familiar with the US government and typical ways of talking about it.

https://constitution.congress.gov/constitution/amendment-10/ Please cite me where the power to enact a requirement to wear masks is explicitly granted to the federal government. I'll wait.

They could make a mask mandate a requirement for receiving any amount of federal spending in their state. Something similar happened with the drinking age being raised to 21. Although I wouldn’t put it past some state governments to cut off their nose to spite their face at this point...

Re: South Dakota nurse says many dying patients still insist Covid-19 'not real'

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My wife and I just moved from Orange County, CA to Detroit, MI this last August. We decided to drive the northern route. Heading through Vegas, Utah, Yellowstone and Montana. Then onward through the plains of North Dakota and Minnesota. Turning north we entered Wisconsin and finally the UP (Upper Peninsula) of Michigan. After a few days exploring we turned south to Detroit. In Vegas the concern for masks started to w…

A few weeks ago we drove from Hendersonville, NC (by Asheville) down through South Carolina and Georgia. We were the only folks in gas stations wearing masks, and received a few chuckles when people saw us wearing them. Your comment of feeling like an outsider alien really resonates.

I don't think using a gas station as your benchmark is fair. I live in what is literally the bluest state if the per county election maps are to be believed. Nobody wears masks at the gas stations unless you're going inside. Mask compliance is practically 100% inside.

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This is all just one step away from those people who post conversations they supposedly had with their 4 year children that mysteriously support all their political prior beliefs. "And then my little Johnny said to me, 'Mommy, wouldn't it be more fair if instead of treating capital gains as normal income we indexed it to inflation?'" "I just don't know Johnny but some people either aren't able or will not just see th…

Yeah, it'd be dead simple to pull this off with false information.

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No there are not

I just linked to a thread containing multiple sources. It sounds like wearing a mask isn't simply putting some cloth in front of you face and in fact you've politicised it. How amusing.

Your comment was flagged because it’s nonsense. Nobody disputes that N95>surgical mask>cloth face covering. However the administration failed to provide N95s so we work with what we have. Show me a peer reviewed study on the ‘dangers’ of masking, not some crackpot on Twitter.

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rather than moralizing angrily ('fucks'), why not try to hone in on what you're worried about exactly? were you really in danger? if you'd have focused more on the lack of distancing indoors, that might have been a legitimate concern. but masks are for show in most places, at most times, and your focus on them indicates a retreat to symbolism rather than effect. the primary appeal of masks is for quelling fear and an…

> the primary appeal of masks is for quelling fear and anxiety, not preventing spread. The appeal of masks for me is definitely to lower spread. Yes there is signaling, but also because masks reduce amount of possibly covid-infected droplets expelled from the mouth and nose while breathing and speaking. It is not possible to have a 6 foot bubble around everybody at all times. It is possible to always wear a mask. Thi…

that's rationalization, not science. feel free to wear a mask everywhere if it makes you feel better and aligns with your mediosocial affiliations, but the breadth of science show that masks are effective in specific, marginal situations, not everywhere, and that its population-level effects are drowned out by other, better mitigations.

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My friend works in the covid ICU here in Michigan and told me yesterday that she's seeing a dramatic increase in patients who are getting angry at her and still believing that covid is not real. When she asks where they may have caught it, they sometimes say at a wedding with 100 people where no one was wearing masks. I can't imagine how emotionally taxing it was to be a healthcare worker attending to people with cov…

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Re: South Dakota nurse says many dying patients still insist Covid-19 'not real'

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My wife and I just moved from Orange County, CA to Detroit, MI this last August. We decided to drive the northern route. Heading through Vegas, Utah, Yellowstone and Montana. Then onward through the plains of North Dakota and Minnesota. Turning north we entered Wisconsin and finally the UP (Upper Peninsula) of Michigan. After a few days exploring we turned south to Detroit. In Vegas the concern for masks started to w…

When are we going to stop playing the blame game in regards to COVID? When it's cases in middle America surging, observers are "not surprised". How can this comment be taken as anything but scorn and disdain for rural Americans? It's repugnant.

Where was this same sentiment when places like NYC were getting swamped with Covid? Anyone?

I'm so damn tired of this holier-than-thou approach to COVID, and life in general. It gets nobody anywhere, except for making the person casting aspersions feel better than the ones they're looking down on.

If anything, this pandemic sure has made people show their true colors. Always a good thing, I suppose

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I find people not wearing masks much more alarming than people not wearing them. I am much more alarmed at the prospect of mass death than people wearing jaunty masks.

In Sweden, where there's little mandated, so far only some 6000 out of 10 million died of COVID-19. That is significant (in the statistical sense), but hardly mass death (given that in the relevant time frame some 40000 died of unrelated causes). Masks alone don't cause the widespread panic, mass media did their part.

Ah, but I don't live in Sweden, I live in NYC. So, mass death is on my mind.

Nobody here panicked in February, or the first week of March. We were more or less going about our daily lives like normal, because that's what the state health people told us to do. Nobody wore masks, nobody social distanced.

By April 1st, NYC was seeing 500 deaths a day and increasing. It's the largest mass casualty event in NYC since 9/11, and was much worse, in body-count terms. It was comparable to the 1918 flu epidemic.

https://www.healio.com/news/infectious-disease/20200821/exce...

Of course, a NYC-level of mass death is absolutely not guaranteed to happen elsewhere. Different populations, different habits, luck- there's variables. But do not tell me that it's media hysteria when you didn't listen to ambulance sirens for a month.

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