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2020 Mac Mini – Putting Apple Silicon M1 To The Test

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Re: 2020 Mac Mini – Putting Apple Silicon M1 To The Test

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Post by rootusrootus »

JAlexoid wrote: post #307
ogre_codes wrote: post #279

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I don't really get this. I switched to MacOS because it's fundamentally BSD with a nice/ well integrated GUI. Almost all of the good OSS I love is supported nearly perfectly. Perhaps I'm a bit jaded after running into too much bullshit trying to get Linux running well on laptops in the 90s and 00s. Since I made the move I never wax nostalgic for the "Good Ole Days" of fighting for hours to get Wifi working properly.…

Well... That's why I have a ThinkPad, that is certified on Linux. (So your prejudice is dated) I'm literally trying to figure out how to install Python 3.6 alongside 3.9 in MacOSX .... right now, and it's not a one line command. So... No. It has massive issues with developer friendliness. New OSX stalls with bluetooth mice and randomly locks my keyboard(MBP 2020). The only thing I can commend OSX on - battery life on…

> install Python 3.6 alongside 3.9 in MacOSX .... right now, and it's not a one line command

To be fair, that's not easy on any OS (well, maybe Windows). Certainly on CentOS it is a chore to get two versions of Python installed simultaneously.

Re: 2020 Mac Mini – Putting Apple Silicon M1 To The Test

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Post by akritrime »

joshstrange wrote: post #239
akritrime wrote: post #2

The last sentence on the first page has a typo, I think. I am guessing it would be `tough competition`, not `though competition`.

I never understand downvotes in this situation. Like are you mad someone is calling out typos? I mean I'm not surprised, I got downvotes for the literally the same thing [0] a few days ago when anandtech published another article full of typos... I like their reporting but the typos and the multi-page nonsense is a huge turnoff. [0] https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=25052892

Honestly I don't mind. I was not commenting on the quality of the post, neither was the typo that much of an issue. I have seen people from Anandtech active in the hackernews and I just this is a good way of reaching them and letting them know something trivial with their posts.

Re: 2020 Mac Mini – Putting Apple Silicon M1 To The Test

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Post by GiorgioG »

faitswulff wrote: post #134
GiorgioG wrote: post #38

I'm not buying into Apple's eventually-closed desktop computer systems - I don't care what the performance is. They've been slowly marching towards iOS's closed ecosystem model on the Mac and with an in-house CPU, they can effectively lock users out of alternate OS choices on their hardware. Buyer beware.

As someone who sympathizes with your perspective, I do believe that this is a minority position. Most people don't care about closed ecosystems - just look at Facebook's popularity. Look at the Apple App Store. Government intervention would be needed to break up these closed gardens.

> I do believe that this is a minority position. Most people don't care about closed ecosystems

You're absolutely right. I bought my first MacBook Pro (17") in 2007 (and it's still running at my parents' house!) Over time all the machines in the house save my work/gaming rig have been replaced by Macs (iMacs, MBP, 12" MB, etc.)

Now I plan on reversing course. I'll keep my iPhone for now because everyone in the family lives in the blue bubbles (iMessage.)

Re: 2020 Mac Mini – Putting Apple Silicon M1 To The Test

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Post by JAlexoid »

MrBuddyCasino wrote: post #226
mattlondon wrote: post #33

Wow it must suck to be Intel right now. It wasn't so long ago that the trope was while others had better multi-core performance "...Intel still holds the lead for single core performance" Now not only do AMD have a better product, but also Apple now offer equal or better performance than the best that Intel can offer. I wonder what is next for Intel now their £1000+ CPUs are firmly in third place. Looking forward to…

Market share x86 overall (mobile + desktop + server), AMD vs Intel: Q3/2020 20,2% vs. 79,8% Q2/2020 19,7% vs. 80,3% Q1/2020 17,5% vs. 82,5% I don't know why the OEM business works that way, but it is very slow to shift, so Intel still has time. Self-built consumer PCs for gaming are already overwhelmingly AMD though.

Discounts and design lead time.

Unlike modular desktops - you can't just drop in an AMD CPU into a laptop chassis and expect everything to work.

Re: 2020 Mac Mini – Putting Apple Silicon M1 To The Test

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Post by fakedang »

bigboii wrote: post #300
JAlexoid wrote: post #283

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Intel's CPUs have been getting remarkably worse for a long time now. They trail the software improvements. To give you an anecdote - I got a ThinkPad T430s and it made my work feel 10x faster(Java EE development in 2012). I got my next ThinPad P51s in 2017 - an it was just one huge disappointment. It felt like Intel was stepping back. I now have ThinkPad P1 and computing power is still just OK, though still better th…

>I got my next ThinPad P51s in 2017 - an it was just one huge disappointment. It felt like Intel was stepping back. the microcode bugs cut performance by 20-30% varrying in your workloads. and it comes with a 4k display? That would also contribute to a performance loss, depending on what you're doing. That 2.8-3.9 cpu would be equal to a 2.3-3.3 before the bug, afaik. Thats hardly faster than 10 year old duals, wow!…

I'd say Intel has been enjoying the fruits of its pseudo monopoly for far too long now.

Re: 2020 Mac Mini – Putting Apple Silicon M1 To The Test

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Post by akritrime »

MBCook wrote: post #274
joshstrange wrote: post #239

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I never understand downvotes in this situation. Like are you mad someone is calling out typos? I mean I'm not surprised, I got downvotes for the literally the same thing [0] a few days ago when anandtech published another article full of typos... I like their reporting but the typos and the multi-page nonsense is a huge turnoff. [0] https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=25052892

I would assume the down votes are because this doesn’t really add to the discussion at all. If you spot typos why not notify the original website instead?

That's what I hoped to do with the original comment. I didn't want to send them an email for something this trivial and I was just leaving the comment in case anyone from Anandtech stumbled upon it. The typo is not really an issue and my comment was not a criticism. I was just trying to be helpful but I can see how that can appear to be when my comment is just about the typo and not the content of the post.

Re: 2020 Mac Mini – Putting Apple Silicon M1 To The Test

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Post by rootusrootus »

JAlexoid wrote: post #343
Uehreka wrote: post #83

Earlier quoted context omitted.

They’ll be 2-4x faster in some multicore tasks. CPU benchmarks specifically break out single core performance as a separate metric, because as of 2020 a lot of everyday work is single core bound (stuff like 3D graphic design, video editing or compiling large codebases not considered “everyday work”). Not to mention that even in multicore tasks, you don’t usually scale perfectly linearly due to overhead. And also, the…

For most everyday work - Raspberry Pi is fast enough, so it's not even an argument. Raspberry Pi 8GB is 10x cheaper? There are mini desktops starting at $250 that will do everyday work. If you throw in "everyday work" - then we have passed the need for new chips altogether.

> For most everyday work - Raspberry Pi is fast enough

That really stretches the meaning of 'everyday work' quite a lot. The pi is dog slow, even compared to an Intel i9 ;)

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Post by dogma1138 »

ghaff wrote: post #243
dogma1138 wrote: post #186

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They should probably release an 11" version of the air, I'm not sure a 12" having the same specs as the Air would be viable. However the interesting part would be what are they gonna do with their iPad Pro line at this point I don't see a reason for it not to run Big Sur or the Bigger Sur they'll release next year and compete directly with the surface. What I see Apple doing is the following: iPhone/iPad non-pro cont…

Convergence can be overrated. Arguably Apple finally made tablets mainstream because they didn't feel the same need to maintain compatibility with their desktop/laptop line that others did. But it's hard not to see some sort of convergence between mobile, laptops, and desktops over time.

They are doing convergence now with allowing iOS apps on Macs I can definitely see the iPad Pro line being moved closer to MacOS from a UI perspective, especially since the pen now works on all iPads.

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Post by JAlexoid »

nsxwolf wrote: post #176
matvore wrote: post #80

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I get why this idea of becoming iOS-like is uncomfortable for a lot of people, but will they take away the POSIX-ness of the OS? What about all the people that spend all their time in Vim, TMUX, Emacs, and/or zsh? I think these people will continue to be pretty happy on macOS if they already are. In my experience, installing alternate OS's on Mac hardware has never been frictionless or satisfying anyway.

I don't see why they would do this. If they just want to sell iPads, they could do that tomorrow. Just release XCode for Linux and Windows so that devs can create iOS apps and call it a day. Obviously they still intend for the Mac to remain a general purpose computer or they wouldn't be putting this much effort into it.

I wouldn't count on Apple leaving the PC market.

Tablet dominated world never materialized.

Post PC era isn't here, the PC is dominant still. Even iPad Pro got laptop like, than any laptop got iPad like. iPad's sales are either stalling or declining.

Yes - Apple clearly wants to keep that laptop market and be general enough to be useful. But general purpose is for general public, not your average HN reader.

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