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Re: South Dakota nurse says many dying patients still insist Covid-19 'not real'

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Post by sonotathrowaway » Tue, Nov 17, 2020, 5:40 PM UTC

rriepe wrote: post #36

s5300 wrote: post #23

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Hey look, another person who doesn't know what HIPAA actually is/does...

Stop making up groups of people to hate. Stick to the argument or don't comment.

Throughout these comments I don’t think I’ve seen you make one good faith argument. You engage in lies (HIPAA violations), shifting the goalposts (well she said it, now she needs to prove it and violate HIPAA so I can be right), and then just shift towards personal attacks once the above fails (you’re attacking me by pointing out I’m not being honest).

It’s amazing watching how powerful cognitive dissonance is, and the extent to which people will try to deny simple realities. Fitting, given that it’s under an article about people who’d rather die after they failed to realize their felling didn’t alter reality.

Re: South Dakota nurse says many dying patients still insist Covid-19 'not real'

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Post by Diederich » Tue, Nov 17, 2020, 5:42 PM UTC

jeffbee wrote: post #22

Diederich wrote: post #3

https://mackuba.eu/corona/#south_dakota_united_states.daily?...

To set the perspective for those not familiar, the population of the state is close to 900k, roughly the same as the city of San Francisco. The normal pace of all-cause deaths is about 24 per day, so with COVID-19 killing off 15 people per day it is probably the leading cause of death in that state today.

If I remember correctly, deaths today are linked with the hospitalizations 12 days prior.

From what I've seen, South Dakota is nearly out of ICU beds, as are many other states.

These Covid19 death rates are going to get really, really bad this time around.

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Post by Retric » Tue, Nov 17, 2020, 5:43 PM UTC

rriepe wrote: post #29

Retric wrote: post #18

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That’s not how HIPAA works. There is a huge difference between knowing a specific person has a specific disease, and talking about a case without identifying the specific person. A case study is very common and gives a great deal of information about the medical side of what someone has gone through, without identifying them. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Case_study

So how would she substantiate these claims without committing the violation, again? Assume just for this answer that she's not an institution conducting a case study, but an individual conducting a TV interview. Tell me what evidence she sends to the station that substantiates the story but does not violate HIPAA.

The same basic things you do to substantiate any story. Verify the details you can such as does this person work at that location, and verify as much as possible with other coworkers.

Re: South Dakota nurse says many dying patients still insist Covid-19 'not real'

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Post by matz1 » Tue, Nov 17, 2020, 5:43 PM UTC

skyzyx wrote: post #26

Yes, the pandemic fatigue is real. Yes, it would be wonderful to hang out with my friends in person, or to drive 100 miles crossing the border to go visit my children. But the reason this is lasting so long, and things are shutting back down is because people are ignoring the truth. You can talk about the economy all day long, but the fact of the matter is that if we all would’ve taken this seriously and shut everyth…

I oppose lockdown/shut down, doesn't mean I don't believe that covid is real, nor I believe there is 0 risk from covid but simply I'm comparing the cost/risk of lockdown vs cost/risk of covid.

I acknowledge though that this cost/risk can be very subjective.

Re: South Dakota nurse says many dying patients still insist Covid-19 'not real'

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Post by sonotathrowaway » Tue, Nov 17, 2020, 5:43 PM UTC

twunde wrote: post #44

rriepe wrote: post #10

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It's either unsubstantiated or a HIPAA violation

Why is this not a HIPAA violation? HIPAA is a US law that's focused on protecting the privacy of a person's medical history. In SQL terms you can't JOIN a person's identity with their medical history (unless explicitly authorized). However aggregated data is allowed, as long as it can't be easily reverse-engineered.

You acknowledge that HIPAA doesn’t allow identifying specific patients. Are you under the impression that she named a identified a specific person in that article?

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Post by jasonlaramburu » Tue, Nov 17, 2020, 5:43 PM UTC

drcross wrote: post #67

whalesalad wrote: post #45

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Even if 10 years from now we discover that wearing a mask was a completely pointless endeavor .... the cost of wearing a mask is SO LOW that it is worth doing it. But it is scientifically proven to limit the rate of the spread, which is the least I can do to protect myself and those around me. I don't care if I get covid ... I don't think it will kill me based on my vitals. However, we don't fully understand the long…

There's significant risks to wearing masks: https://twitter.com/MarkChangizi/status/1296837214429683714?...

No there are not

Re: South Dakota nurse says many dying patients still insist Covid-19 'not real'

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Post by aazaa » Tue, Nov 17, 2020, 5:44 PM UTC

Politics seems to be a factor here, but I wonder how much of this has to do with popular culture.

Over the last 20 years we've been bombarded with metric tons of Apocalypse porn, a lot of it focused on killer viruses.

Most of those movies are unrealistic to put it mildly. Zombies. Deserted cities. Rotting corpses on sidewalks. Visible, palpable nauseating death.

This pandemic is nothing like those movies. I know of not a single pop culture depiction that looks anything like what we have now, except maybe the movie Contagion. And that's really a stretch.

So a lot of people have a problem when they see dire predictions and statistics that bear no relationship to what their own five senses are telling them.

There's also the problem of previous pandemics that sounded the alarm, but amounted to little in the US. SARS-CoV-1 and the Swine Flu.

All of this leaves the US with a population primed to expect a very unrealistic kind of pandemic, and already skeptical from previous false alarms. Throw in a president who not only sympathizes with the "hoax" perspective, but actively encourages it, and it should maybe not be surprising that we are where we are.

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Post by enumjorge » Tue, Nov 17, 2020, 5:45 PM UTC

jimkleiber wrote: post #11

My friend works in the covid ICU here in Michigan and told me yesterday that she's seeing a dramatic increase in patients who are getting angry at her and still believing that covid is not real. When she asks where they may have caught it, they sometimes say at a wedding with 100 people where no one was wearing masks. I can't imagine how emotionally taxing it was to be a healthcare worker attending to people with cov…

I don’t know how these healthcare workers do it. Why would I put my physical and mental health in danger to save people who are that selfish? I suspect many of them need the job. But those who do it out of a sense of duty are better people than I am I guess.

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Post by padseeker » Tue, Nov 17, 2020, 5:45 PM UTC

whalesalad wrote: post #12

My wife and I just moved from Orange County, CA to Detroit, MI this last August. We decided to drive the northern route. Heading through Vegas, Utah, Yellowstone and Montana. Then onward through the plains of North Dakota and Minnesota. Turning north we entered Wisconsin and finally the UP (Upper Peninsula) of Michigan. After a few days exploring we turned south to Detroit. In Vegas the concern for masks started to w…

I live in Chicago, and masks are the norm everywhere. Definitely indoors, and to a lesser degree outdoors. We rented a house in Wisconsin for a weekend in the fall, and culturally there was a big difference. Went to pick up a pizza and the outdoor patio was packed, drinking beer and watching college football. There were some people wearing masks, but it was not the norm. We were definitely in the minority.

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Post by claudeganon » Tue, Nov 17, 2020, 5:46 PM UTC

joshmarlow wrote: post #70

claudeganon wrote: post #55

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Americans refusal to embrace reality has little to do with Russia or any other foreign power. Instead, it’s derived from the long standing and pervasive belief in its exceptionalist, irrational ideology. The same belief system that allows one to compartmentalize the experience of a broken, unequal, and vicious society with an unblinking belief in its greatness will produce this and many other dissonances.

It kind of sounds like you're just describing the vulnerability that other state actors can exploit... Which doesn't argue against point in the parent post.

Right, but the supposition is that such exploits are the source of mass delusions. There are plenty of people who think COVID is a hoax who didn’t arrive at that kind of thinking because of foreign intelligence operations. It’s regurgitated daily by right wing American politicians and media.