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South Dakota nurse says many dying patients still insist Covid-19 'not real'

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Re: South Dakota nurse says many dying patients still insist Covid-19 'not real'

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Post by Diederich »

Claudus wrote: post #28
whalesalad wrote: post #12

My wife and I just moved from Orange County, CA to Detroit, MI this last August. We decided to drive the northern route. Heading through Vegas, Utah, Yellowstone and Montana. Then onward through the plains of North Dakota and Minnesota. Turning north we entered Wisconsin and finally the UP (Upper Peninsula) of Michigan. After a few days exploring we turned south to Detroit. In Vegas the concern for masks started to w…

Out of curiosity, what is your basis for wearing a mask?

Countries with dense populations, nearly universal mask wear, and also only minimally 'locked down' have very low Covid19 rates. Examples include Japan, South Korea and China.

In my mind, the above facts are really all that's necessary: dense population + minimal lock down + universal mask wear == low Covid19 rates.

There are many other good reasons as well.

Re: South Dakota nurse says many dying patients still insist Covid-19 'not real'

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Post by analyte123 »

remote_phone wrote: post #31

Basically the US’s complete disregard for public education is now coming to a head. I remember one study that said the US students were one of the lowest in terms of education but the absolute highest in terms of self confidence. We are reaping what we have sowed for decades now. We have such a vast uneducated population that this coronavirus is almost more like a horrifying culling of the uneducated than anything el…

The public health authorities in the United States spent 6 weeks pretending the coronavirus didn't exist, then another 6 weeks publicly saying masks didn't work, before saying that you must wear them and if you don't you're stupid and dumb (without really bothering to explain why or ever admitting they had changed their opinion), and then 4 weeks later said that it was OK to shout and march in the streets by the tens of thousands but only for particular reasons. It's a trust issue. Usually when a place is out of order, it isn't an employee problem but a management problem. Isn't it the job of the authorities to understand their population and know how to communicate important things to them? Or maybe millions of people are just stupid and deserve to die.

Re: South Dakota nurse says many dying patients still insist Covid-19 'not real'

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Post by seankimdesign »

Claudus wrote: post #28
whalesalad wrote: post #12

My wife and I just moved from Orange County, CA to Detroit, MI this last August. We decided to drive the northern route. Heading through Vegas, Utah, Yellowstone and Montana. Then onward through the plains of North Dakota and Minnesota. Turning north we entered Wisconsin and finally the UP (Upper Peninsula) of Michigan. After a few days exploring we turned south to Detroit. In Vegas the concern for masks started to w…

Out of curiosity, what is your basis for wearing a mask?

Here's a quote from Robert Redfield, the director of CDC.

> We are not defenseless against COVID-19. Cloth face coverings are one of the most powerful weapons we have to slow and stop the spread of the virus -- particularly when used universally within a community setting. All Americans have a responsibility to protect themselves, their families, and their communities.

I trust his expertise and judgment. What's the basis for ignoring his advice and not wearing a mask?

Re: South Dakota nurse says many dying patients still insist Covid-19 'not real'

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Post by jdhn »

nojito wrote: post #46
jdhn wrote: post #35

I feel like I've seen versions of this story pop up throughout the year, and it seems that others have too [0]. I guess I remain skeptical as to whether this actually happened until more proof can be provided. [0] https://twitter.com/annbauerwriter/status/132853834817300480...

Really? https://www.mibluesperspectives.com/2020/10/30/teen-diagnose... These types of interactions happen all the time. A simple youtube search will get you tons of patient accounts. This was a strategy used by certain hospitals to increase public awareness.

Nowhere in that article does it say that he went to urgent care insisting that covid isn't real. The link that the OP posted says that dying patients are insisting that covid isn't real. Your own link says that the kid thought that it just hit older adults, not that he thought it was fake or a new world order conspiracy or any garbage like that.

Re: South Dakota nurse says many dying patients still insist Covid-19 'not real'

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Post by hawkesnest »

analyte123 wrote: post #32
jasonlaramburu wrote: post #7

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What a bad take. Disregard for covid precautions is the reason we have an outsized outbreak in the US. The outbreak in SD, despite the state’s low population density, will spread to other states.

The outbreak in the US is not particularly "outsized" compared to other developed countries: https://ig.ft.com/coronavirus-chart/?areas=usa&areas=fra&are...

In deaths, somewhat true. But in cases, the US in the upper-eschelon!

Re: South Dakota nurse says many dying patients still insist Covid-19 'not real'

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Post by jdminhbg »

remote_phone wrote: post #31

Basically the US’s complete disregard for public education is now coming to a head. I remember one study that said the US students were one of the lowest in terms of education but the absolute highest in terms of self confidence. We are reaping what we have sowed for decades now. We have such a vast uneducated population that this coronavirus is almost more like a horrifying culling of the uneducated than anything el…

> I hate to be so blunt, but 50% of the population has IQ below 100. Nothing to me has demonstrated this more than the reaction to the pandemic. When you are so uneducated that you think a mask won’t help prevent a disease that is spread via respiratory droplets, that is a big problem and unfortunately those people are all sitting ducks. Of course many won’t believe the doctors when they don’t have the capacity to understand even the basic concept?

Maybe the problem is they spent too much time listening to the apparently sub-100 IQ public health establishment in March?

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Post by drcross »

whalesalad wrote: post #45
Claudus wrote: post #28

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Out of curiosity, what is your basis for wearing a mask?

Even if 10 years from now we discover that wearing a mask was a completely pointless endeavor .... the cost of wearing a mask is SO LOW that it is worth doing it. But it is scientifically proven to limit the rate of the spread, which is the least I can do to protect myself and those around me. I don't care if I get covid ... I don't think it will kill me based on my vitals. However, we don't fully understand the long…

There's significant risks to wearing masks: https://twitter.com/MarkChangizi/status/1296837214429683714?...

Re: South Dakota nurse says many dying patients still insist Covid-19 'not real'

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Post by [deleted] »

skyzyx wrote: post #26

Yes, the pandemic fatigue is real. Yes, it would be wonderful to hang out with my friends in person, or to drive 100 miles crossing the border to go visit my children. But the reason this is lasting so long, and things are shutting back down is because people are ignoring the truth. You can talk about the economy all day long, but the fact of the matter is that if we all would’ve taken this seriously and shut everyth…

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Re: South Dakota nurse says many dying patients still insist Covid-19 'not real'

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Post by enumjorge »

Claudus wrote: post #28
whalesalad wrote: post #12

My wife and I just moved from Orange County, CA to Detroit, MI this last August. We decided to drive the northern route. Heading through Vegas, Utah, Yellowstone and Montana. Then onward through the plains of North Dakota and Minnesota. Turning north we entered Wisconsin and finally the UP (Upper Peninsula) of Michigan. After a few days exploring we turned south to Detroit. In Vegas the concern for masks started to w…

Out of curiosity, what is your basis for wearing a mask?

The same one as your basis for not downing a bottle of Clorox.

Re: South Dakota nurse says many dying patients still insist Covid-19 'not real'

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Post by joshmarlow »

claudeganon wrote: post #55
skyzyx wrote: post #26

Yes, the pandemic fatigue is real. Yes, it would be wonderful to hang out with my friends in person, or to drive 100 miles crossing the border to go visit my children. But the reason this is lasting so long, and things are shutting back down is because people are ignoring the truth. You can talk about the economy all day long, but the fact of the matter is that if we all would’ve taken this seriously and shut everyth…

Americans refusal to embrace reality has little to do with Russia or any other foreign power. Instead, it’s derived from the long standing and pervasive belief in its exceptionalist, irrational ideology. The same belief system that allows one to compartmentalize the experience of a broken, unequal, and vicious society with an unblinking belief in its greatness will produce this and many other dissonances.

It kind of sounds like you're just describing the vulnerability that other state actors can exploit... Which doesn't argue against point in the parent post.
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