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Some of the sociopaths in the comment section (on the article, not here) are truly mind-blowing. It is scary to be confronted with the fact that not only are those people out there, but they are likely more numerous than you think.
He was in the high risk group... 60+ with existing health complications, why didn’t he stay at home? Instead of blaming others she could easily say his own irresponsibility killed him. Either way I wouldn’t blame anyone. For people like him death is the rule, not the exception. If an unusually high number of people in their prime were dropping dead maybe she’d have a point.
> With more than 230,000 Americans dead from a virus that could have been contained It could not have been "contained" in the United States. Half the (ineffectual) stuff we do now is unconstitutional. You cannot restrict religious or other forms of peaceable assembly under our constitution. We've observed quite a bit of that in the past few months. Moreover, 230K is 1/10th the projected number of deaths (2.2M). The "…
This part of the US perspective on covid-19 I don't understand. Everywhere I keep reading comments that suggest you pretty much deserved what you got and americans only have themselves to blame because 'if everyone just wore masks' it 'could have been contained'. Literally nothing suggests that, no other country in the world shows any statistics to back this up, and the situation is pretty much as bad as or worse in…
What about wearing masks in countries where there are mask mandates with different levels of strictness and requirements? At which point does the personal decision to wear a mask, when not strictly mandatory, become a "religion or a political statement"? Are mask mandates elsewhere religious or ideological decisions, rather than debatably effective public health decisions?
Leaving aside the question of whether masks are or are not effective (and if so, to what extent, under what conditions, etc.), I think that it's disingenuous to dismiss the decision of people who wear them as an irrational or ideologically motivated choice. Many of them honestly believe (rightly or wrongly) that scientific evidence supports that using a mask is an effective way of either preventing their own infection or community spread. It is in the nature of human society that we don't meticulously research every rational decision we make, but rather rely on general approximations and societal consensus.
I think that talking about wearing face masks as a religious or political statement is in itself a political statement.
He was in the high risk group... 60+ with existing health complications, why didn’t he stay at home? Instead of blaming others she could easily say his own irresponsibility killed him. Either way I wouldn’t blame anyone. For people like him death is the rule, not the exception. If an unusually high number of people in their prime were dropping dead maybe she’d have a point.
"Why didn't he stay at home" - I recommend reading the fine article, the reason he didn't "just stay at home" is in there.
By her.
I understand she is grieving but this is a confused mess trying to find something to blame. Trump. Voters. Capitalism.
Whatever might make her feel like her loved one's death wasn't entirely in vain. Whatever might stick. Whatever she wants an excuse to be more angry about.
She needs polite condolences and time. She doesn't need people indulging in this nonsense and encouraging her.
Some of the sociopaths in the comment section (on the article, not here) are truly mind-blowing. It is scary to be confronted with the fact that not only are those people out there, but they are likely more numerous than you think.
Earlier quoted context omitted.
> Literally nothing suggests that, no other country in the world has any statistics to back this up New Zealand. Taiwan. Vietnam. South Korea.
Yeah it's a lot easier if you are an island, go into super strict lock-down, and can do super-efficient (and privacy invasive) contact tracing before the number of infections even goes over 1 in 100K, like in the countries you mentioned. .. That doesn't contradict anything I said though, I was only commenting on the US situation and whether it could have been contained by 'just wearing masks'.
I think the real issue they have is the unwillingness to cooperate with the other two measures: lockdowns (clashes with "freedom", at least temporarily) to reduce the number of cases to a range where they can be contact traced and then to allow contact tracing (I would guess this is because of a lack of trust in the government) to actually find people that might become infectious before they actually do.
BTW "Just wearing masks" is not the solution but part of it.
Yes, she's right that her grandfather was 'sacrificed' for political gain. By her. I understand she is grieving but this is a confused mess trying to find something to blame. Trump. Voters. Capitalism. Whatever might make her feel like her loved one's death wasn't entirely in vain. Whatever might stick. Whatever she wants an excuse to be more angry about. She needs polite condolences and time. She doesn't need people…
“Our estimates imply that nationally implementing mandatory face masks for employees in public businesses on March 14th would have reduced the growth rate of cases and that of deaths by approximately 10 percentage points in late April. [...] We estimate that business shutdowns have roughly the same impact on growth rates as mask mandates, albeit with more uncertainty.” https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pi…
People like you seem to have forgotten "It's a liberal hoax." Remember New Orleans saying "If the administration had told us how bad Covid was, we would have skipped Mardi Gras." Remember Austin fighting with SXSW to get them to cancel?
The Trump administration had the data and buried it. And then later stoked the "outgroup" against those who attempted to apply more significant shutdowns.
Inaction at the beginning of a pandemic leads to an inability to contain it later. South Korea, Vietnam, etc. shows what happens when you take it seriously early.
So, yeah, I do lay a significant chunk of unnecessary deaths on the "outgroup" as you call them.
And I'm not going to allow people like you to get away with revisionist history.
Yes, she's right that her grandfather was 'sacrificed' for political gain. By her. I understand she is grieving but this is a confused mess trying to find something to blame. Trump. Voters. Capitalism. Whatever might make her feel like her loved one's death wasn't entirely in vain. Whatever might stick. Whatever she wants an excuse to be more angry about. She needs polite condolences and time. She doesn't need people…
All those things are to blame, though.