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Firefox 83 introduces HTTPS-Only Mode

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Re: Firefox 83 introduces HTTPS-Only Mode

#31

What happens if i need to access localhost on http?

You could start by reading the article, even only the first paragraph: > Firefox asks for your permission before connecting to a website that doesn’t support secure connections.

No need for snark. It's a legit question and buildfocus's answer below is relevant:

"browsers generally treat localhost and/or 127.0.0.1 as secure origins in themselves anyway"

Re: Firefox 83 introduces HTTPS-Only Mode

#32

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Your post is brief, and has a grammar error that makes it harder to understand.

the second "still" is meant to be "sell" or "make".

That helps a bit. I could be wrong, but I think the common belief is that professionally-developed HTTP-only sites don't really have a place anymore on the 2020s internet due to HTTP/2, security, referral tracking, and SEO limitations.

Re: Firefox 83 introduces HTTPS-Only Mode

#33

What happens if i need to access localhost on http?

You could start by reading the article, even only the first paragraph: > Firefox asks for your permission before connecting to a website that doesn’t support secure connections.

I have read it, I was wondering about localhost explicitly.

Re: Firefox 83 introduces HTTPS-Only Mode

#34
Great to see this built into firefox, I have been using HTTPS Everywhere https://www.eff.org/https-everywhere to achieve similar results, it won't warn you if it is not https (i think) but it will try and upgrade to https if it can. It is available for chrome and firefox.

What particularly annoyed me was using http to sites which supported https.

Re: Firefox 83 introduces HTTPS-Only Mode

#35

As a developer I likely won't use this feature much, considering most of our internal development sites are http only. For the general public it might be useful though, especially the auto-upgrade feature, protecting them from the lazy network operators that didn't add a proper auto-redirect.

Maybe try https://www.eff.org/https-everywhere then.

Re: Firefox 83 introduces HTTPS-Only Mode

#36
post #18

I’m surprised at the negative knee-jerk reaction. I actually love this idea immediately. It encapsulates something I kind of already wanted when using HTTPS Everywhere. This doesn’t guarantee the transport is end-to-end secure; I’m sure plenty will strip the encryption at an LB and then possibly send it back over the internet. But, I think it’s a good addition nevertheless. Here’s to hoping for more DoH and encrypted…

I like the DoH initiative too. It's sad that Chrome doesn't support it for Linux yet and therefore Brave does not.

HTTPS upgrade feature has always been there in Brave.

Edit: I'm using system-wide DoT at the moment with CoreDNS but it doesn't work that well. Not sure why.

Re: Firefox 83 introduces HTTPS-Only Mode

#38
Finally! I've been waiting for HTTPS to be the default for a while now. From a security standpoint it's annoying that bar something like HSTS it's trivial for a man in the middle to force a downgrade to non-secure HTTP. The fix is to force yourself as a user to look for the lock symbol in the address bar, but that's terrible from a usability perspective.

However, I'm not sure whether it'd be best to make this the mode the default for everyone. I imagine regular users would be quite scared/confused when encountering such a message, and that might lead to lots of valuable (mostly older) websites still running plain HTTP to be effectively cut off.

Re: Firefox 83 introduces HTTPS-Only Mode

#40
post #23

I wonder how it will work against websites like http://neverssl.com (which helps me to log in to some wifi portals, HTTPS Everywhere shows the prompt for a temporary exception.)

An alternative I use is http://captive.apple.com (other OS vendors have their own). Which may have a higher chance of being detected by the portal (more likely to be white-listed) and triggering the prompt correctly.
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