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Why Italians don't drink a cappuccino after 11am [video]

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Re: Why Italians don't drink a cappuccino after 11am [video]

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I had already seen that video and I call bs. Claiming lactose malabsorption is a very strong claim, considering it's backed by pretty much no evidence at all. It's really, really bs. And this is not about being Italian or not (full disclosure: I am). We have a lot of milk-based or dairy-based products even in the evening or for dinner (I just had pasta with gorgonzola cheese). Pastries too! Tiramisù is very common in…

Yeah, I went out plenty of times for a gelato after dinner in the summer, when I lived in Padova.

Re: Why Italians don't drink a cappuccino after 11am [video]

#112
post #80

I had already seen that video and I call bs. Claiming lactose malabsorption is a very strong claim, considering it's backed by pretty much no evidence at all. It's really, really bs. And this is not about being Italian or not (full disclosure: I am). We have a lot of milk-based or dairy-based products even in the evening or for dinner (I just had pasta with gorgonzola cheese). Pastries too! Tiramisù is very common in…

> I just had pasta with gorgonzola cheese

Well, some cheeses have (little to) no lactose, so maybe that's a consideration?

"In the case of Gorgonzola DOP, lactic bacteria consume lactose during the fermentation that occurs along the cheese-making process."

https://en.gorgonzola.com/the-science-column/gorgonzola-chee...

"For some people who have determined they are only lactose intolerant, cheese can be eaten. This is because lactose is primarily in the whey, not the curds. When cheese is being made (with the exception of some soft cheeses that contain whey, like ricotta) the whey (liquid) is discarded and the lactose goes with it. "

https://www.thespruceeats.com/lactose-intolerance-and-cheese...

"On every Nutrition Facts panel, you’ll find the amount of sugar in that food. If it says 0g, that means there’s no sugar… and no sugar in Cabot cheddar cheese means no lactose!"

https://www.cabotcheese.coop/lactose-free-cheese/

Re: Why Italians don't drink a cappuccino after 11am [video]

#113
post #90

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I don't know, I liked the video but am uncertain of his hypothesis. If it was due to lactose intolerance wouldn't all the cheeses and pizza's enjoyed around dinner in Italy cause some major issues for many people? Also gelato? My guess is its due to caffeine and avoiding any ingestion of it for a long time before bed is a smart move.

I’m lactose intolerant and have no issue with cheese and gelato in Italy. Most Italian cheeses have little to no lactose. Not sure what the case is with gelato but it doesn’t seem to have an effect on me (this is anecdotal). Also pizza in Italy does not have as much cheese as in other parts of the world.

Cheese is low in lactose, and gelato is too, it's mainly sugar with only a little bit of milk.

Someone I know, who is lactose intolerant, believes that frozen milk isn't as bad, I've not found any scientific evidence of this, so it's probably not true, but she thinks she is more tolerant of frozen milk products, so maybe there is some reason?

Re: Why Italians don't drink a cappuccino after 11am [video]

#114
post #15

I think people may have missed the point of the video (It's not just about why Italians don't drink a Cappuccino). If you want a deep dive into the science of all things coffee related all James' videos are well resesarched, well presented, and come from a person with a deep afinity for coffee.

The video's title is "Why Italians Don't Drink a Cappuccino After 11am". Seems like most people in these comments got it. What's the point of the video if not that?

Re: Why Italians don't drink a cappuccino after 11am [video]

#115
post #107

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Hard to reconcile that theory with the old warm cup of milk before bed for children and adults unable to sleep I suppose hard to digest could be made to mean, makes you sleepy but I find coffee wakes people up and why is it ok to be sleepy before noon If it means makes your stomach unhappy then avoid it, not have it and be uncomfortable

You'd be asleep during the period of digesting the warm milk anyways, a bit of gas wouldn't bother you at that point.

With gas before noon being ok ? Strange

Re: Why Italians don't drink a cappuccino after 11am [video]

#116
post #36

Honestly this seems BS. Italian Cappuccino cup is small - 6 fl oz. You can handle it at 11am but not 4pm? And as other commenters said, how come Gelato is OK?

Yes exactly. I was wondering if I was misunderstanding something. If lactose intolerance (or malabosorbtion or whatever) is the problem, that seems unrelated to an 11am cutoff time. Would seem more reasonable to not drink milk-based coffee drinks at all or drink them towards the end of the day at home, etc. Also the tangent about stopping caffeine consumption at a particular time soas not to interfere with sleep seemed unrelated too.

Re: Why Italians don't drink a cappuccino after 11am [video]

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The causation in your summary was not established in the video, only claimed with some correlations to other phenomena. Some non-snarky comments provided some really good counter examples, eg they eat ice cream all afternoon. Also from my own experience in the south: every morning kids eat a bowl of milk with a shot of espresso over cereal.

....why have I never thought to put espresso in my cereal?

Espresso cereal should be a thing.

Re: Why Italians don't drink a cappuccino after 11am [video]

#118
post #80

I had already seen that video and I call bs. Claiming lactose malabsorption is a very strong claim, considering it's backed by pretty much no evidence at all. It's really, really bs. And this is not about being Italian or not (full disclosure: I am). We have a lot of milk-based or dairy-based products even in the evening or for dinner (I just had pasta with gorgonzola cheese). Pastries too! Tiramisù is very common in…

> I just had pasta with gorgonzola cheese Well, some cheeses have (little to) no lactose, so maybe that's a consideration? "In the case of Gorgonzola DOP, lactic bacteria consume lactose during the fermentation that occurs along the cheese-making process." https://en.gorgonzola.com/the-science-column/gorgonzola-chee... "For some people who have determined they are only lactose intolerant, cheese can be eaten. This is…

>> "In the case of Gorgonzola DOP, lactic bacteria consume lactose during the fermentation that occurs along the cheese-making process."

While lactic acid bacteria (LAB) indeed consume the lactose in cheese curds, not all of the lactose is consumed, especially so in fresh cheeses (like gorgonzola, mozzarella, feta, mascarpone, roquefort, camembert, brie, etc. etc.). Even hard cheeses may have a significant amount of lactose left particularly if they haven't aged for a very long time. Some hard cheeses are made in a special manner that purposely removes the lactose from their curd before forming, for example gouda (these are called washed-curd cheeses). The point of removing lactose in this way is to stop the LAB from fermenting it any further and giving the cheese an acidic, tangy taste; this is why such cheeses taste "sweet" (compared to e.g. gruyere or parmesan).

As to the lactose being "primarily" in the whey, how "primarily" it is, is a matter of perspective. If sufficient lactose was not left in the curds, cheese would never be able to mature. Cheese matures because of the enzymes released by LAB while the cheese ripens (LAB also release enzymes as they die and their cells rupture, but the cause of death is desiccation because of the salt added to cheese and it takes a long time). This is for example why whey cheeses like ricotta, which are made by boiling whey to a high temperature (80C or 176F) do not mature: their LAB flora is boiled to death.

Bottom line: lactic acid fermentation is not a sufficient explanation for the ability of people with "lactose maldigestion" to eat cheese, particularly so fresh cheese.

Re: Why Italians don't drink a cappuccino after 11am [video]

#120

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's just milky drinks in general. I always found it weird to see people having milk with lunch in American TV shows. Its sweetness doesn't pair well with saltier lunch and dinner time food. It's not a lactose intolerance problem at all.

When I was child then I liked milk with everything.

Is it possible it was skimmed milk? I can't imagine having whole milk with, say, pizza. Too thick, hides all other flavours.
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