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The Largest Gypsy Ghetto in Europe – Stolipinovo, Bulgaria (2016)

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colesdefectum wrote: post #46
EB-Barrington wrote: post #16

Post author here. Stolipinovo is one of several European Roma communities that I have visited over the years (several times now), and it's the largest that I'm aware of. The photos in the post are representative and true of how the area actually is, and I'm happy to answer any questions (forewarning, I'm not an expert). If I were to emphasize any one take-away - it's the friendliness I experienced from the locals. So…

Incredible photos and a great story. Thanks for putting this together. People forget all too easily how everyone in this world is trying to live their best life with the resources they have. That becomes exponentially more difficult when someone treats you as less of a person for whatever delusional reasons they rationalize in their minds.

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Re: The Largest Gypsy Ghetto in Europe – Stolipinovo, Bulgaria (2016)

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EB-Barrington wrote: post #16

Post author here. Stolipinovo is one of several European Roma communities that I have visited over the years (several times now), and it's the largest that I'm aware of. The photos in the post are representative and true of how the area actually is, and I'm happy to answer any questions (forewarning, I'm not an expert). If I were to emphasize any one take-away - it's the friendliness I experienced from the locals. So…

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shadowprofile77 wrote: post #92
EB-Barrington wrote: post #16

Post author here. Stolipinovo is one of several European Roma communities that I have visited over the years (several times now), and it's the largest that I'm aware of. The photos in the post are representative and true of how the area actually is, and I'm happy to answer any questions (forewarning, I'm not an expert). If I were to emphasize any one take-away - it's the friendliness I experienced from the locals. So…

As a long-time "hobby" photographer of street and neighborhood life in certain parts of Mexico, I'm curious, how did you build rapport with the locals for the sake of your photography, and that friendly acceptance. I'd love to hear any advice or observations you have.

Be a white English-speaking foreigner, and spend money.

Re: The Largest Gypsy Ghetto in Europe – Stolipinovo, Bulgaria (2016)

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Post by chimen »

SirLotsaLocks wrote: post #236
chimen wrote: post #230

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You make 0 sense stop babling with your slavery "Wikipedia" quotes. Life is not Wikipedia - we don't have slaves here. We're in 2020 nobody here cares about what happened 100 years ago more than for historic reference. We also slaved for the Ottomans during the same periods that you're quoting but you don't see me going into their country to do what they do here, in Austria, Spain, Italy or somewhere else. Leave Wiki…

> We're in 2020 nobody here cares about what happened 100 years ago correction: you don't care about what happened 100 years ago. You don't care because it doesn't affect you. 100 years ago isn't very long ago at all, and the economic consequences can still effect people. The difference for people who's grandparents or great grandparents were able to work normally and provide for their children and the people who's g…

Germany rebuilt itself 2 times from the ground up in the last 100 years. These ones can barely finish 4 years in school here and they receive special treatment for doing so anyways. Most of them are in there for the monthly help from the state. My parents were unable to provide me with anything and I still managed to finish my school. They provided education and that is enough sometimes. The right kind of education. These are not oppressed people that live in poor conditions:

- https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7BXrYLzPlSw

https://stirileprotv.ro/stiri/social/ue-baga-degeaba-zeci-de... - social integration for gypsies paid by the European Union. The gypsies say that "honest work is hard and not very well paid" and they prefer to stay on welfare instead.

Last phrase says this: "France, Germany and Italy won't give up and continue to supply Romania with money in order to try harder to integrate gypsies and keep them HOME" - they had enough of them also.

We know better - I'm not one to discriminate but these are facts. I tried, we tried, you lot do whatever you can to keep them here, at home, in order to avoid having them in Paris, London or Frankfurt but...pointing please refrain from pointing fingers at us.

Re: The Largest Gypsy Ghetto in Europe – Stolipinovo, Bulgaria (2016)

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chimen wrote: post #230
mariusor wrote: post #217

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> We are talking about a community of people that appears in Europe in the 9th century and they keep their cultural identity ever since Well, let's not forget that gypsies have been slaves for most of their existence in Romania and it's been less than 200 years since slavery has been abolished and they've been freed. Most Romanians conveniently forget this part when justifying their racism.

You make 0 sense stop babling with your slavery "Wikipedia" quotes. Life is not Wikipedia - we don't have slaves here. We're in 2020 nobody here cares about what happened 100 years ago more than for historic reference. We also slaved for the Ottomans during the same periods that you're quoting but you don't see me going into their country to do what they do here, in Austria, Spain, Italy or somewhere else. Leave Wiki…

I think you're making my point for me quite well, thank you. Don't forget the 4th grade rhyme: "cin' se scuza, se acuza".

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Post by mariusor »

chimen wrote: post #244
SirLotsaLocks wrote: post #236

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> We're in 2020 nobody here cares about what happened 100 years ago correction: you don't care about what happened 100 years ago. You don't care because it doesn't affect you. 100 years ago isn't very long ago at all, and the economic consequences can still effect people. The difference for people who's grandparents or great grandparents were able to work normally and provide for their children and the people who's g…

Germany rebuilt itself 2 times from the ground up in the last 100 years. These ones can barely finish 4 years in school here and they receive special treatment for doing so anyways. Most of them are in there for the monthly help from the state. My parents were unable to provide me with anything and I still managed to finish my school. They provided education and that is enough sometimes. The right kind of education.…

We haven't tried hard enough my dude. If you trust the Eastern European governments to do (or to have done) an honest attempt at integrating gypsies, I think you're very naive.

As a piece of anecdata that I have, a very close friend that was doing a master's degree at the Sociology University in Bucharest mentioned that the literacy in gypsy communities was raised in the early years of the 2000nds due to the "Cornul si Laptele" program. The program that most of the country derided. Poor families started to send their children to school instead of keeping them home because they received a modicum of food and lessened the burden on their parents.

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s9w wrote: post #223
dang wrote: post #198

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Even assuming all that is true, the comment broke the site guidelines and is not ok to post here.

No it didn't. But the lovely guy in this thread who called me a racist did. And the 2-5 trump posts per day do. And the guys who openly call for violence do. The guidelines have been ignored or months now, leaving nothing of value on this site. I will continue to do what I do. I recommend that you ban me though.

Ok, since you don't want to use HN as intended, I've banned the account. If you don't want to be banned, you're welcome to email hn@ycombinator.com and give us reason to believe that you'll follow the rules in the future.

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Post by kazinator »

rixed wrote: post #206
chimen wrote: post #185

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"if the public found out a Gypsy was working in the kitchen, most people would never dine at that restaurant" - I don't dig that, it's a lie. I live just two hundred miles north in Romania and we have our own communities here - bigger even. The reason they don't get hired is because it is always a gamble doing that. They either steal or avoid work whenever possible. Most criminal gangs are by gypsies and most stealin…

Racism is not that obviously immoral behavior depicted in Disney movies when ugly people misjudge good people for frivolous reasons. Racism is when a group of people consider another group as inferior / less worthy for some reason conflated with their biology or culture (of which most often than not very little is actually known). Racism is exactly the thoughts you have just expressed. Upvoted for your honest contrib…

> biology or culture

Sorry, no; racism is just about biology, by definition. Culture is not race.

Discrimination based on culture has other terms like xenophobia.

Discriminating against some culture may be justified. For instance, to some extent it is justified to discriminate against a culture that tolerates theft and vandalism.

If you assume that someone with a certain physical appearance automatically belongs some specific culture, and then discriminate against them based on that assumption, that is then racism.

The discriminating against that culture per se isn't racism, and not even necessarily wrong; it depends on the culture.

Not all cultures are equally good.

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Post by hackerfromthefu »

chimen wrote: post #232
1024core wrote: post #189

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> The reason they don't get hired is because it is always a gamble doing that. So if you don't let them make an honest living, how the hell will they survive?? You claim they're all thieves and they don't want to be integrated, so you deny them any job prospects. And then you turn around and wonder why they steal!! How else will they feed their families or afford the basic necessities, man? I'm not saying they're all…

I hired three of them to build me a fence last year - following an online ad that they had, we talked on the phone and settled for the next day. Good for me that I have cameras in my yard because they jumped me to pay double at the end of the job quoting some bs numbers that we didn't discuss. 4 of them getting in my face at night. I already knew how it is going to go down from the moment I saw that the car of worker…

Almost as if it's much easier to be 'pc' about someone else's problems that are conveniently distant ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

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Post by neurostimulant »

jmcdl wrote: post #25

I ask myself quite genuinely if under the same circumstances I would live like that. It's really very hard to imagine that I or anyone I know would just accept living in trash like that. We would surely all agree to get some shovels and at least clean up the sidewalk in front of our house...right? What stops them from doing that? It seems like a choice.

Not sure if it were the case here, but here in my country the slum would look like that because there is no organized garbage disposal in the neighborhood, so everyone is simply dumping their trash whenever convenient and burn them later. I mean, you could pick up a shovel and clean up the front of your house, but where would you throw those trash you just shoveled if there is no garbageman picking up trash every week? Chance that you'll just dump them across the street and burn it and the wind will pick up some bits of trash and spreading them again throughout the neighborhood, completing the cycle.
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