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How come this post is not in the first page after 8 hours while the following post for example still is? Joel Spolsky: Lunch (joelonsoftware.com) 275 points by alexlmiller 12 hours ago | flag | 175 comments
"Ask HN"-types posts (i.e. without a link) are heavily disadvantaged. They take more upvotes to get to the front page, and fall down faster.
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Isn't that just called "not voting"?
I think they mean "not voting but still being able to see how people voted on that particular comment"
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Idea: a [view count] link. Once clicked, votes are ignored for that comment. You can vote, or get the social proof, but not both.
I want that option as an account setting, I'd gladly give up all voting rights in return for being able to see vote counts.
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I want that option as an account setting, I'd gladly give up all voting rights in return for being able to see vote counts.
This makes me sad. I always thought that part of being a good user on HN was submitting feedback via comments and voting. To imagine that there are users out there who don't consider this a community, and want only to leech off the useful information contributed by others, is saddening.
So I'd rather chose to not have any votes and actually get something out of other people's votes than to have an impact that nobody can actually see.
I've been trying to give it a chance, but so far it doesn't seem like hiding the vote counts has done anything to improve the quality of comments on HN. Honestly, I think it's had the opposite effect. The number of in-depth comments seems to have plummeted.
It seems like the people who used to read all of the comments regardless of vote, seem to think that comment quality has gone up.
It's possible that the former groups impression of comment quality might be attributable to the fact that they are now reading lower quality comments that were always there, but which they weren't exposed to given their reading style.
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I think they mean "not voting but still being able to see how people voted on that particular comment"
About 4 seconds after that feature was implemented, someone would write a greasemonkey script that clicks all the abstain buttons for an HN article.
I like the slashdot way of organizing stuff. Mods who actively moderate and categorize comments. It's more work, but the end result will be of higher quality.
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> For instance, I don't know whether your comment is something a lot of people agree on (it has a lot of upvotes) .... That highlights a major problem right there. I would hope that upvotes are for worthwhile contributions to the discussion. You (and others) seem to assume that they are for agreement. Different things. I would like to know whether lots of people think a comment is worthwhile. But except in the rare c…
Most upvotes are going to be based on agreement, its simply psychological. We're more likely to even consider upvoting something if we agree with it. Downvotes on the other hand, have a detrimental effect such that we can stop to think if this actually deserves a downvote after we get the impulse. So even though ideally upvotes should be about adding to discussion, it's just not going to play out that way.