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Gig economy companies spent more than $200M to bankroll Proposition 22

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Re: Gig economy companies spent more than $200M to bankroll Proposition 22

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Gibbon1 wrote: post #380
CryptoPunk wrote: post #379

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Market reforms, including expansions of contracting rights for employers and employees, have as a rule been followed by increases in per capita GDP and wages. The positive impact of a reduction in restrictions on the labor market, in favor of contract rights, has been widely observed and studied by economists.

Course in the US wages have been stagnant for 40 years now.

Wage growth has slowed, but hasn't ceased altogether. Statistics showing wages not growing or diverging from productivity are due to a misapplication of the inflation index:

https://www.brookings.edu/opinions/sources-of-real-wage-stag...

Anyway, the US has embarked on a massive social democracy course since 1965, so a slowdown in the rate of development is what you would expect.

Re: Gig economy companies spent more than $200M to bankroll Proposition 22

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Post by jahaja »

CryptoPunk wrote: post #381
Gibbon1 wrote: post #380

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Course in the US wages have been stagnant for 40 years now.

Wage growth has slowed, but hasn't ceased altogether. Statistics showing wages not growing or diverging from productivity are due to a misapplication of the inflation index: https://www.brookings.edu/opinions/sources-of-real-wage-stag... Anyway, the US has embarked on a massive social democracy course since 1965, so a slowdown in the rate of development is what you would expect.

> the US has embarked on a massive social democracy course since 1965

Do you have a single source for this absurd claim? It seems much more likely that you are just shooting from the hip due to ideological bias.

Re: Gig economy companies spent more than $200M to bankroll Proposition 22

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Post by CryptoPunk »

jahaja wrote: post #382
CryptoPunk wrote: post #381

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Wage growth has slowed, but hasn't ceased altogether. Statistics showing wages not growing or diverging from productivity are due to a misapplication of the inflation index: https://www.brookings.edu/opinions/sources-of-real-wage-stag... Anyway, the US has embarked on a massive social democracy course since 1965, so a slowdown in the rate of development is what you would expect.

> the US has embarked on a massive social democracy course since 1965 Do you have a single source for this absurd claim? It seems much more likely that you are just shooting from the hip due to ideological bias.

This is a well-established fact in Economics.

https://fivethirtyeight.com/features/what-is-driving-growth-...

Annual spending growth (inflation adjusted) on various components of social welfare spending (1972 - 2011):

>Pensions and retirement: 4.4%

>Healthcare: 5.7%

>Welfare: 4.1%

Annual economic growth over the time frame:

>2.7%

This is annual growth, over a course of 40 years, resulting a massive increase in social welfare spending as a percentage of GDP.

Re: Gig economy companies spent more than $200M to bankroll Proposition 22

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Post by jahaja »

CryptoPunk wrote: post #383
jahaja wrote: post #382

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> the US has embarked on a massive social democracy course since 1965 Do you have a single source for this absurd claim? It seems much more likely that you are just shooting from the hip due to ideological bias.

This is a well-established fact in Economics. https://fivethirtyeight.com/features/what-is-driving-growth-... Annual spending growth (inflation adjusted) on various components of social welfare spending (1972 - 2011): >Pensions and retirement: 4.4% >Healthcare: 5.7% >Welfare: 4.1% Annual economic growth over the time frame: >2.7% This is annual growth, over a course of 40 years, resulting a massive increase in social…

How on earth does that substantiate that the US has made "a massive shift to social democracy"?

What typical social democratic welfare state benefits have been introduced during that time?

Please link to a single well-established social scientist or respectable political commentator that backs up that outrageous claim.

Re: Gig economy companies spent more than $200M to bankroll Proposition 22

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Post by yohannparis »

Jommi wrote: post #307
yohannparis wrote: post #295

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Can you please elaborate, because, in the case of Uber/Lyft, it's simple, if you force when drivers go, they can't refuse clients, etc. Then you are not "just" a platform to connect driver and people looking for a ride. If you are imposing rules, other than local regulations, to the drivers, you are an employer, and you should follow labour law. If you use Stripe API for examples, if you follow the law, and their T&C…

So if you do only one of those things are you still an employer or now a platform?

I'm still confused, because you are not giving any example or explanation for "one of those things".

As soon as you tell somebody how to make their money, outside of government regulations, you are in fact an employer.

Which is different from a contractual work where you can define requirements. In the case of Uber/Lyft (and other Gig economy for that matter) you do not sign a contract with each transaction you do with them.

Therefore, your contract with them, it's to pick up and drive users of the platform under terms set by the platform. This is obviously an employer - employee relationship.

Re: Gig economy companies spent more than $200M to bankroll Proposition 22

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jahaja wrote: post #384
CryptoPunk wrote: post #383

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This is a well-established fact in Economics. https://fivethirtyeight.com/features/what-is-driving-growth-... Annual spending growth (inflation adjusted) on various components of social welfare spending (1972 - 2011): >Pensions and retirement: 4.4% >Healthcare: 5.7% >Welfare: 4.1% Annual economic growth over the time frame: >2.7% This is annual growth, over a course of 40 years, resulting a massive increase in social…

How on earth does that substantiate that the US has made "a massive shift to social democracy"? What typical social democratic welfare state benefits have been introduced during that time? Please link to a single well-established social scientist or respectable political commentator that backs up that outrageous claim.

You don't know how on Earth evidence of a massive increase in social welfare spending, as a percentage of GDP, substantiates the claim that the US has massively shifted to social democracy?

Why are we even having a discussion right now, if you're going to engage in such bad faith?

>>What typical social democratic welfare state benefits have been introduced during that time?

How about you do your own homework. Start with the Medicare Act of 1965, and then continue down the laundry list of social assistance programs provided by local, state and federal government, that have been instituted and expanded since 1960.

Re: Gig economy companies spent more than $200M to bankroll Proposition 22

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Post by jahaja »

CryptoPunk wrote: post #386
jahaja wrote: post #384

Earlier quoted context omitted.

How on earth does that substantiate that the US has made "a massive shift to social democracy"? What typical social democratic welfare state benefits have been introduced during that time? Please link to a single well-established social scientist or respectable political commentator that backs up that outrageous claim.

You don't know how on Earth evidence of a massive increase in social welfare spending, as a percentage of GDP, substantiates the claim that the US has massively shifted to social democracy? Why are we even having a discussion right now, if you're going to engage in such bad faith? >>What typical social democratic welfare state benefits have been introduced during that time? How about you do your own homework. Start w…

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Re: Gig economy companies spent more than $200M to bankroll Proposition 22

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jahaja wrote: post #387
CryptoPunk wrote: post #386

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You don't know how on Earth evidence of a massive increase in social welfare spending, as a percentage of GDP, substantiates the claim that the US has massively shifted to social democracy? Why are we even having a discussion right now, if you're going to engage in such bad faith? >>What typical social democratic welfare state benefits have been introduced during that time? How about you do your own homework. Start w…

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Re: Gig economy companies spent more than $200M to bankroll Proposition 22

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CryptoPunk wrote: post #388
jahaja wrote: post #387

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Sigh, another non-reply.

If this is so blatant as you claim you should be able to tell me who the authority on this massive shift to social democracy in the US is, because this is so market fundamentalistic that I think that you're just making shit up.

Re: Gig economy companies spent more than $200M to bankroll Proposition 22

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jahaja wrote: post #389
CryptoPunk wrote: post #388

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Sigh, another non-reply. If this is so blatant as you claim you should be able to tell me who the authority on this massive shift to social democracy in the US is, because this is so market fundamentalistic that I think that you're just making shit up.

I just showed you statistics showing a massive increase in the share of GDP being redistributed by government for social welfare outlays, and your response was to completely dismiss the relevancy of that fact and persist in your extremist commitment to your narrative.
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