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Facebook’s Project Aria Is Google Maps – For Your Entire Life

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Re: Facebook’s Project Aria Is Google Maps – For Your Entire Life

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Post by happymellon »

boldslogan wrote: post #14
petargyurov wrote: post #13

This, like Google Glass, is one of those ideas that has been popularised by science-fiction with the promise that it will make our lives better, but when you get down it's actual real world usage I don't see the benefit it provides. Sure, it _looks_ cool, but none of the examples shown in FB's promo video are actually meaningful: the red light example, the restaurant... The real world already has UI for that! Navigat…

translations with subtitles in real time is one I thought of.

But that doesn't require this level of Facebook intrusion.

Re: Facebook’s Project Aria Is Google Maps – For Your Entire Life

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Post by matesz »

IMO this project has very little chances to succeed outside of trusted environments, simply because of privacy - same reason why Google Glass failed.

It doesn't matter if Facebook will blur faces and vehicle plates - the problem is that I can wear counterfeit which will do the opposite and nobody will be able to tell the difference.

Moreover it will probably look and feel creepy.

Re: Facebook’s Project Aria Is Google Maps – For Your Entire Life

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Post by jasonkester »

petargyurov wrote: post #13

This, like Google Glass, is one of those ideas that has been popularised by science-fiction with the promise that it will make our lives better, but when you get down it's actual real world usage I don't see the benefit it provides. Sure, it _looks_ cool, but none of the examples shown in FB's promo video are actually meaningful: the red light example, the restaurant... The real world already has UI for that! Navigat…

Glass actually had a really good use case, but it's the one thing they explicitly called out in the terms of service as banned:

Facial Recognition

The killer app for Glass would have been the thing that put a little nametag over the head of the person you were looking at, provided you'd met them before. So that you could say "Hey Steve!" to your kid's classmate's dad that you'd met 3 times before and still couldn't remember his name.

Way better than today's tech of saying "Hey!..." then introducing him to your friend Bill and hoping Bill asks his name or he volunteers it. Then hoping you're remember to memorize it this time.

Glass woulda fixed that. But it would have made everything else worse.

Re: Facebook’s Project Aria Is Google Maps – For Your Entire Life

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Post by boldslogan »

happymellon wrote: post #21
boldslogan wrote: post #14

Earlier quoted context omitted.

translations with subtitles in real time is one I thought of.

But that doesn't require this level of Facebook intrusion.

there are a lot of things that need translating e.g. signs are an easy one, but what about pieces of paper or forms you need to register for car rentals. Translations would need a kind of "always on" intrusive capability to see at the moment needed.

Note. I'm neutral if this would really benefit us all or not. I guess we will see?

Re: Facebook’s Project Aria Is Google Maps – For Your Entire Life

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Post by pritovido »

That is something that must be done, but not by facebook.

It should be done by public and private institutions with a clear control of the data real access and ownership.

The problem with cloud providers is that you can not control them. They can tell you nobody but you access your data, but they can give data access to the US gobertment or their employers or their automatic surveillance and intelligence gathering software without notifying you.

They promise they won't access your data, but of course they do, because you can not prove they did. Everything is under their control.

Re: Facebook’s Project Aria Is Google Maps – For Your Entire Life

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Post by onion2k »

I think the primary reason why I don't trust Facebook on this sort of project is that the marketing is only about the personal benefit - "If you wear these magic glasses then Facebook can augment your world with all of this useful information! Isn't that great!" That's Facebook selling the idea to people. They're telling people relatively trivial but fun use cases. Maybe that would make some people buy.

However, at no point does it mention what benefit there is to Facebook, which is effectively a constant data stream about the world around us: who is there, what's happening, what are people talking about, etc. Google and Apple get similar data streams from mobile phone location data, but a video and audio stream (and lidar maybe) would be a much richer information source. I want to know what their plan is for that data, how FB intends to use it, what I can do to opt out of it, and so on.

Re: Facebook’s Project Aria Is Google Maps – For Your Entire Life

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Post by happymellon »

boldslogan wrote: post #24
happymellon wrote: post #21

Earlier quoted context omitted.

But that doesn't require this level of Facebook intrusion.

there are a lot of things that need translating e.g. signs are an easy one, but what about pieces of paper or forms you need to register for car rentals. Translations would need a kind of "always on" intrusive capability to see at the moment needed. Note. I'm neutral if this would really benefit us all or not. I guess we will see?

No it doesn't, it can also be on-demand. They don't need people to record the inside of my house for that.

Nothing Facebook has done has brought benefits to the world, so I am sceptical that they will do anything positive with this. You are more likely to get a partial translation with links to facist groups on why this language shouldn't need to be translated. Then banning you for life from translations because they believe you didn't use a valid name.

Re: Facebook’s Project Aria Is Google Maps – For Your Entire Life

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Post by boldslogan »

happymellon wrote: post #28
boldslogan wrote: post #24

Earlier quoted context omitted.

there are a lot of things that need translating e.g. signs are an easy one, but what about pieces of paper or forms you need to register for car rentals. Translations would need a kind of "always on" intrusive capability to see at the moment needed. Note. I'm neutral if this would really benefit us all or not. I guess we will see?

No it doesn't, it can also be on-demand. They don't need people to record the inside of my house for that. Nothing Facebook has done has brought benefits to the world, so I am sceptical that they will do anything positive with this. You are more likely to get a partial translation with links to facist groups on why this language shouldn't need to be translated. Then banning you for life from translations because they…

when you're visiting another country, your on demand need to translate things becomes almost constant. I also would turn it off going into my hotel room/house...

Re: Facebook’s Project Aria Is Google Maps – For Your Entire Life

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Post by cutitout »

jasonkester wrote: post #23
petargyurov wrote: post #13

This, like Google Glass, is one of those ideas that has been popularised by science-fiction with the promise that it will make our lives better, but when you get down it's actual real world usage I don't see the benefit it provides. Sure, it _looks_ cool, but none of the examples shown in FB's promo video are actually meaningful: the red light example, the restaurant... The real world already has UI for that! Navigat…

Glass actually had a really good use case, but it's the one thing they explicitly called out in the terms of service as banned: Facial Recognition The killer app for Glass would have been the thing that put a little nametag over the head of the person you were looking at, provided you'd met them before. So that you could say "Hey Steve!" to your kid's classmate's dad that you'd met 3 times before and still couldn't r…

> Glass woulda fixed that. But it would have made everything else worse.

Kinda like using x-ray machines in shoe shops. But now that I think about it, that could be said even about many uses of social media. Yes, it achieves something, no, it's not always an essential or even very good thing, and the price is rather gigantic compared to the convenience.

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