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Re: PinePhone – KDE Community edition

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Post by fsflover » Mon, Nov 16, 2020, 8:55 AM UTC

MartijnBraam wrote: post #138

fsflover wrote: post #100

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> For now, this is a device for people who like freedom of their device (well, at least as much as we can get with modern circuits) Librem 5 [0] goes further than that: it's OS is endorsed by the FSF as truly free. [0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Librem_5

Afaik it doesn't have endorsement yet, they are just aiming for it

The OS is already endorsed: https://www.gnu.org/distros/free-distros.html.

The device itself has a preliminary endorsement: https://www.fsf.org/blogs/community/ethical-tech-giving-guid....

Re: PinePhone – KDE Community edition

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Post by izacus » Mon, Nov 16, 2020, 10:28 AM UTC

squarefoot wrote: post #127

izacus wrote: post #80

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I wonder if making a shell on top of Android (for compatiblity with other devices) would make community larger and get more software contributions. Not sure how technically feasible it is though.

Pretty much all Linux installs on Android phones are chroot jails on top of Android. They run at decent speed because everything is native, but they're forced to use Android's kernel and device drivers which are non free, closed and therefore not trustworthy, and cannot protect themselves by malicious Android apps and/or backdoors. I would rather have a truly free and open operating system in which I can set up one o…

I think you perhaps misunderstood me - it's not to replace the PinePhone implementation, but to complement it.

Give users the ability to boot PinePhone software to both try it out (so they see it's good enough to replace their current Android phone) and to make filling up the software gaps easier. All while open hardware continues to be developed.

Right now, PinePhone development requires a pretty expensive buyin with pretty much no ability to see it ahead of time.

Re: PinePhone – KDE Community edition

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Post by kop316 » Mon, Nov 16, 2020, 6:41 PM UTC

m463 wrote: post #137

fsflover wrote: post #100

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> For now, this is a device for people who like freedom of their device (well, at least as much as we can get with modern circuits) Librem 5 [0] goes further than that: it's OS is endorsed by the FSF as truly free. [0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Librem_5

unfortunately, librem 5 isn't shipping. it's always a little further out. Hopefully soon.

It looks like it started shipping:

https://puri.sm/posts/librem-5-screenshots-snapshot-2020-11-...

Re: PinePhone – KDE Community edition

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Post by m463 » Tue, Nov 17, 2020, 12:48 AM UTC

kop316 wrote: post #143

m463 wrote: post #137

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unfortunately, librem 5 isn't shipping. it's always a little further out. Hopefully soon.

It looks like it started shipping: https://puri.sm/posts/librem-5-screenshots-snapshot-2020-11-...

Let's hope my 2017 order is fulfilled!

I honestly don't know what I'll do. I might turn into one of those people who stares at his phone all day long. (or ... compiles for his phone all day long... or compiles ON his phone all day long)

Re: PinePhone – KDE Community edition

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Post by kop316 » Wed, Nov 18, 2020, 2:27 AM UTC

kop316 wrote: post #99

ognarb wrote: post #18

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Yes it works! SMS and MMS are supported via the application Spacebar. The application got a lot of improvement last months. https://www.plasma-mobile.org/2020/11/12/plasma-mobile-updat... Calls are also working fine. The only "exception" being one carrier in the USA does not seem to work with ofono (the underlying framework) yet, but that issue was also with the previous UBports edition.

Interesting. My Understanding is that MMS is non-fuctional: https://sr.ht/~anteater/mms-stack/ But I am admittedly more familiar with the Phosh stack versus the KDE stack. Are you then using ofono and that is providing a working MMS support for the Pinephone? (Sorry I am not trying to be confrontational, it would be amazing if MMS works!)

I hate to say, I just tested it and MMS doesn't work on plasma Mobile (PostmarketOS with Plasma Mobile 5.20.3)

Re: PinePhone – KDE Community edition

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Post by johnchristopher » Wed, Nov 18, 2020, 8:56 AM UTC

Happpy wrote: post #20

ognarb wrote: post #18

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Yes it works! SMS and MMS are supported via the application Spacebar. The application got a lot of improvement last months. https://www.plasma-mobile.org/2020/11/12/plasma-mobile-updat... Calls are also working fine. The only "exception" being one carrier in the USA does not seem to work with ofono (the underlying framework) yet, but that issue was also with the previous UBports edition.

Is there auto call recording? Or on the roadmap.

In Europe, at least in my home country, law mandates some kind of beeps or warnings when recording calls.

Re: PinePhone – KDE Community edition

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Post by Fnoord » Wed, Nov 18, 2020, 9:27 AM UTC

fsflover wrote: post #100

tluyben2 wrote: post #35

I got my pinephone (Manjaro) last week and tried all OSs there are for it; I really love the idea of having a real Linux device in my pocket (that's why I have the Pandora, Pyra + GPD pocket 1 as well); it is such a difference having full control and being able to change whatever how you work instead of having large corps decide. Also shows, by the 'missing apps' between ecosystems, how much we need replacements for…

> For now, this is a device for people who like freedom of their device (well, at least as much as we can get with modern circuits) Librem 5 [0] goes further than that: it's OS is endorsed by the FSF as truly free. [0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Librem_5

If anything, this shows how out of reality FSF is. There's no way mere mortals can afford such a mid-range smartphone for a high-end price.

PinePhone is affordable. Fairphone 3 (much more expensive than PinePhone!) is sustainable, self-repairable (10/10 iFixit), and fair for the workers and miners.

Each of the above have important values, FSF be damned.

Re: PinePhone – KDE Community edition

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Post by _wolfie_ » Wed, Nov 18, 2020, 10:34 AM UTC

johnchristopher wrote: post #146

Happpy wrote: post #20

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Is there auto call recording? Or on the roadmap.

In Europe, at least in my home country, law mandates some kind of beeps or warnings when recording calls.

Yes, and you, as an user would be breaking the law. But as far as I understand there is no law that would prevent phones from having this function.

Re: PinePhone – KDE Community edition

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Post by swiley » Wed, Nov 18, 2020, 12:53 PM UTC

kop316 wrote: post #99

ognarb wrote: post #18

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Yes it works! SMS and MMS are supported via the application Spacebar. The application got a lot of improvement last months. https://www.plasma-mobile.org/2020/11/12/plasma-mobile-updat... Calls are also working fine. The only "exception" being one carrier in the USA does not seem to work with ofono (the underlying framework) yet, but that issue was also with the previous UBports edition.

Interesting. My Understanding is that MMS is non-fuctional: https://sr.ht/~anteater/mms-stack/ But I am admittedly more familiar with the Phosh stack versus the KDE stack. Are you then using ofono and that is providing a working MMS support for the Pinephone? (Sorry I am not trying to be confrontational, it would be amazing if MMS works!)

MMS doesn't work with modemmanager, it sounds like the OS this ships with uses ofono instead which has MMS support.

Re: PinePhone – KDE Community edition

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Post by kop316 » Wed, Nov 18, 2020, 2:48 PM UTC

swiley wrote: post #149

kop316 wrote: post #99

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Interesting. My Understanding is that MMS is non-fuctional: https://sr.ht/~anteater/mms-stack/ But I am admittedly more familiar with the Phosh stack versus the KDE stack. Are you then using ofono and that is providing a working MMS support for the Pinephone? (Sorry I am not trying to be confrontational, it would be amazing if MMS works!)

MMS doesn't work with modemmanager, it sounds like the OS this ships with uses ofono instead which has MMS support.

So I cannot speak to ofono, but modemmanager largely does support MMS, with two exceptions:

- The APN for mobile broadband needs to be the same for MMS (modemmanager does not have support for multiple APNs yet), and

- "transfer-route MT messages" aren't implemented (which some carriers use for MMS, but it is not clear for me to how).

The larger issue is that there is no stack on phosh to support any of this. I proposed a couple of ideas of how such as stack would work on their git site, but I don't have the time to impliment it.

From what I saw with scapebar, it does not have native support to send picture messages (MMS), does not recieve picture messages, and did not have a way to send a group message (MMS). I am admittedly not familiar enough with ofono to know what works or how it functions in the stack. However, there is MMS support in the patched ofono stack below:

https://sr.ht/~anteater/mms-stack/