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Bay Area applicants flood program that pays them $10k to move to Tulsa

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Post by wikibob »

smabie wrote: post #128
xivzgrev wrote: post #6

Sure. If I rented, my job was secure, and all of my friends are packing, of course I would take a free $10k to move somewhere else for a year. The pandemic is probably going to take at least that long to wind out. I can always just move back if SF picks up again.

Just move out of the country to panama or belize or whatever. You'll save more than 10k on taxes and cost of living and life will be more interesting.

Taxes are due on your world wide income as a United States citizen or permanent resident.

Re: Bay Area applicants flood program that pays them $10k to move to Tulsa

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Post by qppo »

erik_seaberg wrote: post #79
qppo wrote: post #29

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Any place that wants to be the new Mecca for tech has to be pro tech worker and not pro tech company .

It takes a critical mass of tech companies that are well funded and regularly hiring, so government can't be squeezing them too hard.

Fairchild showed the critical mass is one, as long as employees of that one business are free to go spawn their own. Being pro-worker is not being anti-business, but it is an explicit reframing of policy initiative.

Re: Bay Area applicants flood program that pays them $10k to move to Tulsa

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Post by smabie »

wikibob wrote: post #151
smabie wrote: post #128

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Just move out of the country to panama or belize or whatever. You'll save more than 10k on taxes and cost of living and life will be more interesting.

Taxes are due on your world wide income as a United States citizen or permanent resident.

No it's not, you don't pay taxes on the first 105k. depending on the country where you are living, living abroad can give you a significant tax advantage.

Re: Bay Area applicants flood program that pays them $10k to move to Tulsa

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Post by meekrohprocess »

HarryHirsch wrote: post #72
meekrohprocess wrote: post #2

Hehehe, Tulsa Oklahoma. I wonder how many of them visited before applying. I don't mean to knock the city, but it is a very different place, and SF residents might chafe at the lack of interesting nature in the surrounding area. Probably the closest large park-ish area would be the Ozarks over in Arkansas. It's a lovely forest, but still about a 2.5-hour drive away. And OK's state highways are absolutely littered wit…

I wonder how many of them visited before applying The program will actually pay for a tour of Tulsa for potential recipients who have no connection to the city. That's what the FAQ page says. When you apply they also ask about your connection to Tulsa (friends, family), so to their credit they do take into account that the place may not be for everyone. They have looked into these difficulties, one should give them s…

Oh, for sure - we can debate whether it's misguided or not, but it's definitely nice that the city is putting so much effort into this sort of outreach, and they seem to be serious about the program. People poo-poo the $10k number, but that must have been hard to sell to a city council.

I'm more curious about how many of the applications are serious, and how many are reactive to the current situation. There's nothing wrong with seeking stability over excitement, but I sort of worry about people envisioning the whole "Great Plains" idyll.

Re: Bay Area applicants flood program that pays them $10k to move to Tulsa

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Post by meekrohprocess »

eyberg wrote: post #5
meekrohprocess wrote: post #2

Hehehe, Tulsa Oklahoma. I wonder how many of them visited before applying. I don't mean to knock the city, but it is a very different place, and SF residents might chafe at the lack of interesting nature in the surrounding area. Probably the closest large park-ish area would be the Ozarks over in Arkansas. It's a lovely forest, but still about a 2.5-hour drive away. And OK's state highways are absolutely littered wit…

The Ozarks extend well into Missouri as well (also a few hours drive). Ozark the Netflix series even though filmed in Georgia? takes place ~4.5 hrs drive from Tulsa. Besides the forest it's known for all the rivers that people float down.

Yeah, they're huge. I love the place. You can travel for miles and miles through remote forest, then pass through a main street that looks like the center of any other large town. You can get lost following the meandering pavement, or get in trouble following a dirt track too far. Dirt bikes share the roads with sport car rallies (and logging trucks). Expansive overlooks appear out of nowhere, and you can find backpacking trails by looking for cairns along the roads. There are equestrian camp sites. It's not really possible to describe in a short text comment.

Re: Bay Area applicants flood program that pays them $10k to move to Tulsa

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Post by bruceb »

dragonwriter wrote: post #149
bruceb wrote: post #144

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Tulsa is 15.6% Black San Francisco is 6.1% Black Would maybe slow the roll on who is more diverse.

Tulsa is more Black than SF. Also, more White than SF. SF is more diverse (even just racially; ethnicity and national origin just makes that even more clear.) There's more to the world that White and Black. (Also, in the Bay Area, Oakland is 22.7% Black and about the population of Tulsa, so if you are looking for concentrated Blackness, the Bay Area has Tulsa beat on that as well as diversity.)

There is more to the world than black and white, but post above mine was implying black. Which from SF to San Jose (where the companies actually are) is almost all lower single digit % of pop.

As for Oakland the black pop is steadily declining, and might even be sub 20% when 2020 Census #s are released, in a decade might be mid teens.

Re: Bay Area applicants flood program that pays them $10k to move to Tulsa

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Post by Thorrez »

Retric wrote: post #145
leetcrew wrote: post #90

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> It’s really odd to me that California is perceived to be such a problem while the area is so economically productive. It’s a very odd type of cognitive dissonance where something is both a model to be copied and a mess at the same time by the same people. it's only odd if you think economic productivity is the sole determination of what makes a desirable place to live. regarding SF in particular, it's phenomenal wh…

That rate of property crime is a direct result of prosperity. In poor areas there is less stuff worth stealing and people spend more effort protecting it. The average house in Riverdale Chicago is worth less than the average car in Silicon Vally. People there make less money from armed robbery than someone can shoplift from a Silicon Valley Apple store. So shockingly with different risk/reward payoffs you get more pr…

According to https://www.neighborhoodscout.com

SF property crime: 57.01/1000

SF median home: $1,195,367

SF per-capita income: $64k

NYC property crime: 18.64/1000

NYC median home: $1,126,049

NYC per-capita income: $73k

Palo Alto property crime: 22.88/1000

Palo Alto median home: $2,363,833

Palo Alto per-capita income: $89k

Chicago property crime: 32.48/1000

Chicago median home: $272,043

Chicago per-capita income: $34k

So SF has worse property crime even though it is on-par or poorer than NYC and Palo Alto.

Re: Bay Area applicants flood program that pays them $10k to move to Tulsa

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Post by daisukeumon »

Wow, coming here to Y Combinator and having to see pretty damned racist things is terrible.

I live in the Bay Area, San Jose, Have a place in Houston, Texas. It breaks my heart to see ignorance and racism, by the way for the racist and ignorant, I'm Native American Yaqui/Mexican so 100% American.

Last time I checked we are all human, so check that ignorance/stupidity and racism at the door.

Don't have time for that. Being a disabled veteran I see Army green all the same color

Class dissmissed whoever User - bruceb is.

Re: Bay Area applicants flood program that pays them $10k to move to Tulsa

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Post by dragonwriter »

bruceb wrote: post #156
dragonwriter wrote: post #149

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Tulsa is more Black than SF. Also, more White than SF. SF is more diverse (even just racially; ethnicity and national origin just makes that even more clear.) There's more to the world that White and Black. (Also, in the Bay Area, Oakland is 22.7% Black and about the population of Tulsa, so if you are looking for concentrated Blackness, the Bay Area has Tulsa beat on that as well as diversity.)

There is more to the world than black and white, but post above mine was implying black. Which from SF to San Jose (where the companies actually are) is almost all lower single digit % of pop. As for Oakland the black pop is steadily declining, and might even be sub 20% when 2020 Census #s are released, in a decade might be mid teens.

> but post above mine was implying black.

No, in the context of the posts upthread of it, while it referenced an anti-black mass slaughter as an indicator of unwelcoming aspects of local culture, it did not imply that it was just talking about blacks.

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