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Re: Conservatives flock to Parler, claiming censorship on Facebook and Twitter

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Post by Grustaf »

didibus wrote: post #814
Grustaf wrote: post #789

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I think your dichotomy of either you’re a liberal conservative or you’re a fascist illustrates my point pretty well. You simply cannot imagine that someone could be a non-liberal without being evil. By conservative here i meant really anyone who is not 100% onboard with democratic party doctrine, which is enough to be ostracized in SV today.

It seem you're trying to avoid telling me what you value. If you don't value democracy, reason, liberty and equality, then what do you value? I listed a lot of known alternatives, you could value ultranationalism with strict traditional societal and economic rule like fascists do, or you could value white supremacy and rule over other races like nazis, or you could value biblical rule of Christian interpretation like…

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Post by coldtea »

matwood wrote: post #334
coldtea wrote: post #287

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Can we agree that there is a difference between an on screen nipple or saying fuck on TV and the POTUS actively undermining democracy? The general talk of free speech and censoring is not really useful here without specifics. Just like someone can't yell 'fire' in a crowded theater, there are other things we are finding that may be similar in nature. I think a more useful discussion could be around the specifics. Sho…

>the POTUS actively undermining democracy?

I think the "POTUS actively undermining democracy" is a gaslighting / pearl clutching for what is a crass person but otherwise business as usual in the White House...

Apparently Patriot Act, mass surveillance, Guantanamo, the "WMD", Echelon, trillion dollar bailouts, false congress testimonies, etc weren't "undermining democracy", but an old guy tweeting some braggadocio/BS is.

And those that designed, established, and voted those things (e.g. Clinton, Bush, and Obama) are all love for each other, and all stand "united" against the "big threat" that is this guy...

Talk about a circus...

Re: Conservatives flock to Parler, claiming censorship on Facebook and Twitter

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Post by jelliclesfarm »

holler wrote: post #716
jelliclesfarm wrote: post #690

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I long for the old IRC days...when you can open a room on DalNet and talk to a small group of like minded people about what you are interested in and curious about..invite/kick those who get obnoxious. It was cozy and I’d give anything to get an online community where we all get along and where it’s ok to be open to new ideas. Most of the BBS and IRC rooms I frequented had little to no moderation. Flamewars occurred,…

I miss those days too! I used to spend a lot of time in #efnet and #dalnet, speaking to strangers about things like #skateboarding and other random topics. It was kind of cool because back then most people didn't know what irc was, nor did they have the prowess to download, install, and configure a client. Mirc was the jam. I'm working on a new open chat site, https://sqwok.im , and hoping to recapture some of that e…

it was #atheism for me on dalnet. quarter century since, i still am friends with my chat buddies there. what does that tell you? "social media' as a platform these days, is laughable. i will laugh my arse off one of these days.

Re: Conservatives flock to Parler, claiming censorship on Facebook and Twitter

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Post by taxicab »

blunte wrote: post #283

I wonder if parler will start policing posts it's right wing leaders dislike... and will the allow posts which violate laws? Will they allow a post claiming that the Mercer family also funds a major child theft and transport ring? In other words, will they allow blatant lies or slander to stand?

They already do. Try going there and posting even moderate opinions. See how long your account will last.

"Free speech for me, but not for thee"

Re: Conservatives flock to Parler, claiming censorship on Facebook and Twitter

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Post by holler »

jelliclesfarm wrote: post #833
holler wrote: post #716

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I miss those days too! I used to spend a lot of time in #efnet and #dalnet, speaking to strangers about things like #skateboarding and other random topics. It was kind of cool because back then most people didn't know what irc was, nor did they have the prowess to download, install, and configure a client. Mirc was the jam. I'm working on a new open chat site, https://sqwok.im , and hoping to recapture some of that e…

it was #atheism for me on dalnet. quarter century since, i still am friends with my chat buddies there. what does that tell you? "social media' as a platform these days, is laughable. i will laugh my arse off one of these days.

haha yep, that's about the time I was hanging out on there, although I mostly remember hanging out in quake gaming channels, #skaters on efnet, maybe a few others. It was a fun time because due to the slight obstacle of figuring out how to get online, there was a certain exclusiveness to it. Plus it was the first time I had ever used something like that other than AOL chatrooms (which I think were around at the time of the aol cdrom you would install)

edit: forgot there was #undernet too.. dang, what a fun time. I remember there were a bunch of other servers on top of those but I can't remember them

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Post by alkonaut »

dragonwriter wrote: post #813
alkonaut wrote: post #302

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Absolutely. You follow humans. Whole humans. They have every right to attract followers with technical tweets and then suddenly anger half their followers by being political come election year. I don’t think it’s possible to create a safe space from opinions you disagree with. What happens on twitter could happen with your friend or uncle. On Twitter it’s at least easy to unfollow someone and it’s not a personal trag…

> You follow humans. Whole humans. You follow Twitter accounts. Those can be thematic slices of humans, whole humans, aggregates of humans, or lots of different things.

Sure, but you need to be at least able to assume and accept that you risk being a follower of a whole human, with flaws and opinions.

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Post by comex »

mistermann wrote: post #561
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Except for the people who simply downvote and never explain their position. Plenty of them on here.

It's so interesting...there is this well known phenomenon where ~everyone has at least some bias the vast majority of the time, and in a forum thread where this phenomenon is the specific topic of discussion (say, a psychology paper discussing subconscious bias, and the associated psychological/neurological phenomena that enable it), any significant disagreement (including whether each one of us suffers from it) with…

Consider the theory that aliens intent on causing strife are using mind control rays to affect people’s political opinions en masse.

Just for the sake of discussion (a mental experiment of sorts), let us imagine that there is some significant truth to this theory - let's (temporarily) assume(!) it to be True, at least to a significant degree. In this purely hypothetical scenario, might this phenomenon offer some logical explanation for the amount of extreme polarization of opinion that can be witnessed in the world etc.?

The answer is yes. If people’s political opinions were being manipulated by aliens en masse (assumed as a premise), then it would be very likely that the amount of polarization in the world would have some connection to that.

But assuming arbitrary premises like this this doesn’t seem like a very useful way to learn about the real world.

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Post by leobakerhytch »

dustinmoris wrote: post #118

In mid October I deleted almost all my tweets and likes (but Twitter being so shit they are still showing my likes except it’s not liked anymore lol) and have not been tweeting anything anymore. I found Twitter too toxic, it made me angry with people for no reason, so I deleted all my tweets and the app. No more notifications, no more “just checking Twitter quickly”. I now go to Twitter like once a day just to have a…

Just to bring to levity to this discussion, your quote very much brings to mind the hilarious and ever-relevant Four Yorkshiremen[0] sketch from Monty Python.

Right. I had to get up in the morning at ten o'clock at night, half an hour before I went to bed, drink a cup of sulphuric acid, work twenty-nine hours a day down mill, and pay mill owner for permission to come to work, and when we got home, our Dad and our mother would kill us, and dance about on our graves singing 'Hallelujah.'

[0]: https://youtu.be/ue7wM0QC5LE

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Post by didibus »

Grustaf wrote: post #831
didibus wrote: post #814

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It seem you're trying to avoid telling me what you value. If you don't value democracy, reason, liberty and equality, then what do you value? I listed a lot of known alternatives, you could value ultranationalism with strict traditional societal and economic rule like fascists do, or you could value white supremacy and rule over other races like nazis, or you could value biblical rule of Christian interpretation like…

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I'm trying to have a discourse right here in the open, but you keep evading the topic and burrying your head in the sand.

I've been very transparent and upfront. I value democracy, reason, liberty and equality above all else. I have good reasons to do so, one of which is that its proved itself historically to create some of the most peaceful and prosperous societies. But I also have phylosophical reasons for it, such as believing that individually we're better off working collaboratively on equal footing with others, than in a constant battle of the fittest for supremacy. And as I brought up the individual, I believe that individual rights are very important to stability, and should be respected even against a majority, for the betterment of each individual and society as a whole.

I don't believe anyone is of lesser worth and value than me, that would go against liberal values to do so. It's quite the contrary in fact, I'm strongly against anyone who'd try to suggest A is lesser than B narratives, or A is more deserving than B narratives.

Now being against someone doesn't mean I believe they are lesser, but simply that they are a liability to what I value, thus a risk towards democracy, reason, liberty and equality. And I am prepared to hope to change their minds, or go to war for it, if it came to that. It would be quite unamerican not too:

"We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the Pursuit of Happiness" - United States Declaration of Independence

Edit: And just so there's no misunderstanding, I'm not talking about democrats or republicans. I'm talking about liberalism and democracy. I don't have any issue with any political party who'd simply disagree on how best to uphold liberalism and democracy in practice. But I will have issue with one who tries to destroy democracy, take away my liberty, increase inequality, and employ illogical and irrational justifications and strategies. And I'm not saying the republican party is trying to do so, but it's never been less clear to me if they are or not then now.

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