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First (and I'm no expert here) I don't believe that (x)nm is the be all end all of cpu performance. Architecture still matters. Second, perhaps the AMD/Apple fan boys have not noticed but Intel has many times the volume of AMD and whatever ARM volume Apple will have (Apple is typically 10% of lap/desktop sales, up this year from Covid). The world requires Intel to meet its computing needs and no magic wand will give…
If you can get it there is no reason not to buy an AMD product in a laptop, or to design one in, unless you absolutely need thunderbolt support. And laptops sells way more than desktops do. This is a winner takes all market and there is no reason to go with the loser.
Intel's disruption is now complete
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> What competent government Let me know when you find one.
Just because you think the federal USA doesn't have one, doesn't mean they don't (or cannot) exist. Lots of goverments in northwest-Europe are generally competent. Of course a generally competent government probably wouldn't decide it'd be a good idea to backdoor CPUs, but that's another issue.
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> Corporate tax rates can be lower, ideally at 0, but I doubt our current system incentivizes corporations retaining profits. Multinational corporations commonly avoid taxes by keeping profits offshore in a low tax jurisdiction. In order to pay the money to shareholders they have to repatriate them and pay corporate income tax on the money, and then the shareholder has to pay tax again on the dividend or the capital…
> Multinational corporations commonly avoid taxes by keeping profits offshore in a low tax jurisdiction. That does happen, but many including the biggest tech companies found a clever way around it. Via a combination of ultra-low interest bearing bond sales and share repurchases. It does the same thing but avoids those taxes. So there's no incentive for profit retention on net . > COVID-19 isn't a rainy day, it's a o…
The loans allow the money to be transferred back into the domestic entity, but there are then restrictions on issuing more in dividends or buybacks than you have in profits, and borrowing isn't considered profit. So they can get the money back into the US and use it for wasteful empire building but they can't give it to the shareholders -- it makes the problem worse.
And buybacks have more advantageous tax treatment than dividends but they're still taxed as capital gains on the difference between the price you bought the shares and the price you tender them for, which doesn't happen if the money stays inside the corporation.
> Part of going into business is accepting risk, including systemic risk. That's why the corporate veil exists and it's generally positive for the overall economy when weak businesses fail. A strong business would have an operating model that can withstand such risk.
You're using two incompatible definitions of weak. In the first case you want weak businesses to fail because they're inefficient, i.e. they're consuming more resources than they produce and go bankrupt. In the second case the business fails because there is a situation resulting in a temporary loss of revenue (shutdowns) but the business still has operating expenses (e.g. rent) and is too efficient to have enough slack to bridge the gap. The inefficiency wasn't caused by the business occupying space it couldn't use, because at the time nobody could use that space -- the loss was a sunk cost to society at large.
If you let them fail then when the temporary situation ends there is greater market concentration because the leanest companies failed, which allows the remaining ones to charge higher margins due to the reduced competition to the detriment of their customers or suppliers.
> I'm surprised that opportunity costs of capital allocation are ignored when defending bailouts. They introduce market inefficiency and reward complacency.
This is why "bailouts" should be distributed uniformly without regard to risk of failure, e.g. through lower interest rates or fixed sum payments to everyone. Then you're not rewarding the most precarious companies because they get no more than anyone else, but you still prevent them from failing. Meanwhile those in a stronger position can use the money they received to increase investment or consumption, which is what you want in a down economy anyway.
> In principle, yes. In reality, most markets are not competitive to that degree.
It still works like that in practice much of the time. Blockbuster's product wasn't as good as Netflix and now they're gone. GM's product wasn't as good as competing ones and it led them into bankruptcy. Blackberry, Sears, RadioShack, Circuit City, AOL.
It could happen more than it does, but it still does.
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Take this from an extremely liberal and war-abhorring person: If your argument is that a country should not take steps to secure it's supply chains in the event of a war because , then you are the naive one.
That's why diplomacy works for the vast majority of countries. War is expensive and the costs are always more than anyone ,regardless of how sophisticated they believe themselves, could possibly imagine. Take that from someone who lost a large chunk of his family currently in an African - shithole as the US president aptly put it- country. I'm on HN because this is the most peaceful time in recent memory. Do me the f…
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> There were turf wars between Austin, Santa Clara and Israel over who would design it, and the team that won out had long since lost its best principle engineers So which team/location ended up winning?
"winning" is hard to define here, because the work became so diffuse (meaning, several sites grabbed the Bonnell/Silverthorn core and started whacking at it), but on paper (foils?) it was the Austin fellows who got the gold star. Some readers who were there may disagree.
Re: Intel's disruption is now complete
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They certainly didn't expect the massive Intel fuckups from the last years. With the normal performance growth curve they would still be ahead. * Broken 10nm and 7nm fab process. No end in sight. Even IBM could surpass them. * Even with much stricter memory guarantee orderings they managed to break caching and C3 kernel/ user seperation security (Spectre, Meltdown, ...). * Temperature management. Eg AVX512! * The gov…
I don't understand this ridiculous conspiracy. What competent government would force one company to backdoor their products but forget about their other competitors, all of which are domestic?
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Making a wrong statement confidently doesn't making true.
Benchmarks: Ryzen 5 2600 + RTX 3070[1] 80 FPS - Ghost Recon: Breakpoint 1440p / Very High 78 FPS - Horizon Zero Dawn 1440p / Ultimate 72 FPS - Red Dead Redemption 2 1440p / High 115 FPS - Death Stranding 1440p / Very High 220 FPS - Doom Eternal 1440p / Ultra 124 FPS - Resident Evil 3 1440p / Max 75 FPS - Gears 5 1440p / Ultra i7-10700k + RX 5700XT[2] (I couldn't find benchmarks for an i5-10600k with this GPU from the…
I hopped on Gamer's Nexuses 3080 review just to get a number for a 5700XT and an i7 and Horizon Zero Dawn comes in at 10 more FPS: https://www.gamersnexus.net/images/media/2020/rtx-3080-fe/hz...
You can spot check the other numbers and find similar discrepancies...
Of course the reason I can't find a proper reviewer doing this exact setup is because the idea of buying a 2600 for a new build doesn't make any sense period...
Even the i3-10100 beats it in gaming, and that costs as little as $100...
Re: Intel's disruption is now complete
#609That chart is not of competing technologies, but of market demand and one technology. The classic disruptive chart shows two technologies improving in parallel, but the performance customers demand doesn't increase as fast, so eventually the disruptive technology is "good enough" for those customers (even though the incumbent technology is better still: it "overshoots") and has other desired qualities (like battery e…
How do you gather? I think it'd make sense for Apple to earn more money by acquiring Intel's customers.
Re: Intel's disruption is now complete
#610The entire world has their eggs in one basket - Taiwan Semiconductor Manufacturing Company. Say whatever about Intel, I am hoping that they get back on their feet in next few years with 5nm manufacturing. Since when is competition and choice a bad thing? If you're a chip design firm and you have a 8-month backlog to get your masks made at TSMC, what do you do then? TSMC can be world's best fab but we need to address…
Fabrication is where Intel is falling down. They have fresh new chip designs that would be perfectly adequate, but they are still hobbled by 14nm. They have now released three? four? iterations of x86 design on the same 14 nm process, because 10nm is that troubled If you spun off the fabrication, as AMD did, you would have a much smaller, but more-competitive fabless business, and the fabricator would implode. (Which…