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Times Change: Inside the New York Times’ Heated Reckoning With Itself

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It is difficult to think of many businesses that have benefited more from Donald Trump’s presidency — aside from the Trump-family empire — than the Times. After Trump’s election, in 2016, subscriptions grew at ten times their usual rate, and they have never looked back. The Times has gone from just over three million subscribers at the beginning of the Trump presidency to its record of more than 7 million last month. It has hired hundreds of journalists to staff a newsroom that is now 1,700 people strong — bigger than ever. Its stock has risen fourfold since Trump took office, and the Times has consolidated its Trump bump into a business that includes Serial Productions, the podcast juggernaut; Audm, the audio-translation business; and a TV show based on the Times series “Modern Love” that was filming its second season this summer, until a COVID-19 false positive on-set forced it to halt shooting.

I think this is key. The journalist Matt Taibbi has been chronicling this and writing detailed analysis of the trend that these 'center-left' publications became suddenly 'far left' (culturally, not economically, if you ask me), very hyperpartisan coastal establishment DNC. Most importantly, the incentive structures within these organizations have found ways to 'weed out' those who don't toe the line: Trump out at any cost.

Don't get me wrong; I'm not lamenting Trump being out. I'm lamenting journalistic integrity being out. It's now fully acceptable to wage a war with a newspaper, something we criticized Fox and the Murdoch papers for doing. But the real loss here is the independent spirit; an independent mind holds opinion even if everyone in the room downvotes them, if they think that opinion is correct and supported with reason. Instead, what we have is a sort of herd mentality where the group decides what's good and bad.

That tech people were hired in droves and this is the result, I find quite scary given how influential young tech companies have become.

Most recently the Times wrote an article that asks the question, on the topic of the beheading in France of the teacher, did France do it to themselves? In reference to the Mohammed cartoons and its secular tradition. Additionally the Times seemed to support suppressing The NY Post's account based on their Biden article.

^^ Both of these examples would never be tolerated by the ethical journalists of yesteryear, when seeking the truth, no matter how ugly took precedence over hyper-partisan The End Justifies the Means attitude being seen here.

But it really comes down to money, doesn't it. As Taibbi documents, the Fox News model has spread to MSNBC and CNN, and of course the Times and Washington Post. Cater to your base is more profitable an idea. That's the real reason the Cotton thing was removed and an editor fired; they feared they'd upset their reader base - their clients.

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The sad decline of media into partisanship. The New York Times is as partisan in its readership as MSNBC or Fox(!!). https://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2020/04/01/americans-m...

What you link to doesn't back your claim. It tells me that people think orgs are partisan, not that they actually are.

If I said "all the audience of Fox is confused - Fox is actually left-wing, it's just a bunch of confused right-wingers who used it as their primary source of news", would you believe me?

The audience tells you the message. There's a reason no one calls Fox left-wing, or NYT right-wing.

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