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Charles Koch Says His Partisanship Was a Mistake

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Re: Charles Koch Says His Partisanship Was a Mistake

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Exactly. They whipped the mob into a frenzy with lies and bullshit so they could use its power to get what they wanted. Then they lost control of it. It is the loss of control they regret, not whipping it up in the first place.

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As a former Wisconsin teacher, I resent your mischaracterization of these events.

Re: Charles Koch Says His Partisanship Was a Mistake

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As I posted last time this came up, the problem to him is that the Tea Party they backed went out of their control. They wanted a nice biddable anti-government party. They got chaos. They've not come to Jesus on global warming, they're upset they lost.

Exactly. They whipped the mob into a frenzy with lies and bullshit so they could use its power to get what they wanted. Then they lost control of it. It is the loss of control they regret, not whipping it up in the first place.

I would love to see a poll where this comment gets presented without context and people have to decide what group it is describing.

Re: Charles Koch Says His Partisanship Was a Mistake

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That’s actually not very much compared to someone like Bloomberg.

The interesting aspect here is not so much the amount as it is the one-sidedness. It shows Koch is still very actively making the same mistake.

Funding one side more than the other is not quite the same as contributing to partisanship. For example, he could be focused on funding more moderate candidates he thinks will build bridges.

Re: Charles Koch Says His Partisanship Was a Mistake

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This reminds me of George Wallace’s famous realization that his long term institutionalization of racism in Alabama was wrong when he was getting close to death’s door. It was kind of nice to hear, but lots of damage was done.

I found it interesting that Wallace didn't start out racist: he became racist when he discovered it would help him win elections. Before that he was a liberal.

Re: Charles Koch Says His Partisanship Was a Mistake

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The tragedy of Emmitt Till's murder wasn't just his death, but that it was representative of a corrupt and violent White Southerner culture that lasted despite the horror of what was done to him (and the loss of face the Deep South experienced when it was exposed). She spent 70 years standing by her lie. About 4 years into it, she was old enough to start making it right and didn't.

Further tragedy: the two men accused of his murder admitted in 1956 that they'd done it but since they'd already been acquitted they were immune from further prosecution.

Furthermore, a plaque memorializing his murder is constantly vandalized and stolen (three times in the last twelve years). The current one (if it is still there now a year later) was made bulletproof: https://www.washingtonpost.com/history/2019/10/20/this-emmet...

Re: Charles Koch Says His Partisanship Was a Mistake

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Blame isn't exclusive.

Murdering someone is clearly worse than lying about a kid whistling at you.

In the context of the events, that lie was a guaranteed death sentence. Saying which is "worse" isn't relevant imo since it was the trigger.

Re: Charles Koch Says His Partisanship Was a Mistake

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>typically when the court is tilted, side-switching magically appears For people like me, I don't care what "side" a justice is on. The justices literally choose which cases they accept... Of course there will be some debate on them. What I find absolutely horrid is that the courts are packed with nominees hand selected by a group of US senators who not only cannot represent the majority of the US population/citizenr…

"Packed" is a loaded term in the context of the courts. I assume you just mean there are a lot of Republican apointees. Part of the job of the Senate is to represent the minority. They typically aren't the starting place for major legislation, but often slow down or heavily amend it. You could argue that the minority should have no power at all, I suppose. Democrats used a similar argument to remove the judicial fili…

There are a lot of Republican appointees because the Republicans have been playing political hardball with judicial nominations for decades. The Democrats eliminated judicial filibusters because Republicans were attempting to prevent Obama from getting any judges on the bench in the two years the Democrats had the Senate. Then they lost the Senate and the Republicans simply stopped allowing Obama to get judges on the bench, creating a huge backlog which they could fill when Trump took the presidency. Then they eliminated the blue slip rule to further weaken any control the Democrats might have over the process. And they have expanded state courts, a.k.a "packed them". All of this has the same practical consequence: controlling policy outcomes you can't win through elections by nullifying them in the courts.

Sure, this is a lesson about democracy. It's a lesson about how to subvert democracy.

Re: Charles Koch Says His Partisanship Was a Mistake

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His partisanship was always circumstantial. I think he's renewing his position based on the increasing polarisation rather than actually "switching teams".

It's more like political divestment, as the costs of polarisation have increased.

His actual values - basic libertarianism like open borders and free trade and limited government - haven't changed at all. That's precisely why he never backed Trump, and instead continued plugging the values he espoused even as that drew fire from Republicans.

For instance: note that he donated a lot more to Rep candidates than to Dem candidates, but it was almost exclusively where the relevant contest involved a pro-markets versus anti-markets debate.

As Republicans have moved away from markets into populism, his spending is less and less partisan.

Re: Charles Koch Says His Partisanship Was a Mistake

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> The article would have been improved by giving some insight into what changed his mind. The article would have been improved by at least proving he has changed his mind. Charles Koch is 85. There is a decent chance he is not going to live long enough to see another Republican administration. It would be in the best interest of maintaining some political influence and making some more change for him to change his pu…

How can an article "prove" that someone has changed their mind?

Wait for actions instead of reporting whatever they self-proclaim? But that would take longer and lose the “newsworthiness”.
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