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Charles Koch Says His Partisanship Was a Mistake

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Re: Charles Koch Says His Partisanship Was a Mistake

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Partisanship in the nomination process, sure, but it remains to be seen if the more recent nominees will be impartial judges. After all, several court decisions have already not gone the way the gop wanted.

It does indeed remain to be seen—but those recent cases were completely ludicrous! That some semblance of logic remains does not help me sleep at night.

What recent cases?

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> Are any of them advocating the seizure of the means of production for the workers? Abolish the state or private property? Devolve control into local worker's councils or other non-hierarchical means of decision-making? Are any of them arguing for an ethnostate? For shipping non-whites "back to where they came from"? For re-establishing anti-miscegenation laws? Your perspective is absurd. Of course the court has a l…

"Are any of them arguing for an ethnostate? For shipping non-whites "back to where they came from"? For re-establishing anti-miscegenation laws?" Don't kid yourself. This is exactly what they're after. Another couple of elections of the likes of Trump and they may get it.

We're talking about supreme court justices...

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I don't think politics will reset just like that. Schultz was sacrificed at the altar to calm the public. The superdelegate system, too. The political establishments (Dem and Rep) have been given a taste of how much their constituencies resent them. If they want to maintain power, primaries can only become less democratic going forward. I'm worried that insurgent candidate like those in 'the squad' were only allowed…

Trump's pivotal point was Super Tuesday where the Republican moderate vote was split between 8 choices: he was able to build an insurmountable lead. Much like marijuana legislation finally passing now, i think it will take the previous generation to die off before we start seeing more democratic progressive candidates like AOC. Bernie's numbers were Yuge and dominating with people under 40. Give it another decade or…

As someone in Gen Z in the western world, the left in Gen Z seems to be more dominant and a lot more to the left - as in, I have many friends that saw Bernie as a "harm reduction" candidate.

That being said, this is only one datapoint, and I also know other people that are far to the right.

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Also the Emmet Till accuser admitting she lied, once she was on her death bed.

She was 14. I don't think we can blame her for what happened to Emmet Till. Edit: thanks for the correction, she was 21. However, I still think the blame should fall on Till's murderers.

According to Wikipedia she was 21. Emmett Till was 14. Also, the evidence that she recanted is shaky. She was 72 in 2008 when this allegedly happened. If she recanted in the presence of the interviewer, it wasn't on tape and she hasn't done it since.

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She was 14. I don't think we can blame her for what happened to Emmet Till. Edit: thanks for the correction, she was 21. However, I still think the blame should fall on Till's murderers.

The tragedy of Emmitt Till's murder wasn't just his death, but that it was representative of a corrupt and violent White Southerner culture that lasted despite the horror of what was done to him (and the loss of face the Deep South experienced when it was exposed). She spent 70 years standing by her lie. About 4 years into it, she was old enough to start making it right and didn't.

Further tragedy: the two men accused of his murder admitted in 1956 that they'd done it but since they'd already been acquitted they were immune from further prosecution.

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"Are any of them arguing for an ethnostate? For shipping non-whites "back to where they came from"? For re-establishing anti-miscegenation laws?" Don't kid yourself. This is exactly what they're after. Another couple of elections of the likes of Trump and they may get it.

We're talking about supreme court justices...

Many of whom have been appointed by and with the support of people who have that very agenda.

The only debate among conservatives is over whether they should be overtly racist, like Trump, or covertly racist, like his predecessors.

If they get enough power, the velvet glove will slip from the iron fist.

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I don't think politics will reset just like that. Schultz was sacrificed at the altar to calm the public. The superdelegate system, too. The political establishments (Dem and Rep) have been given a taste of how much their constituencies resent them. If they want to maintain power, primaries can only become less democratic going forward. I'm worried that insurgent candidate like those in 'the squad' were only allowed…

>I'm worried that insurgent candidate like those in 'the squad' were only allowed to succeed as an olive branch to the left-populists for the purposes of maintaining a coherent anti-trump coalition. I don't buy that but happy to be proven wrong. I was following AOC's race closely before she won her election (any before anyone had heard of her). They went out of their way to work with and endorse her competitor. It wa…

I really do hope you're right about that. My understanding is that the squad came up with without the consent of the party establishment by running an exceptional ground game during their primaries, in districts that were safe blue, and had politicians who'd become too comfortable where they were at.

They were an unknown threat before.

Caruso-Cabrera did raise quite a bit of money to unseat AOC, but most of the endorsements I can find seem to be from conservative organizations looking to score some kind of moral victory against the Justice Dems. My estimate is that a political novice with (some) name recognition tried to take her down of her own accord, and AOC's pissed off enough corporations and conservatives that she incidentally (or deliberately) walked into a money pit in doing so.

I may have missed it, but I haven't seen anything to indicate that the DNC has spun up its machinery to truly run a full-throated opposition opp against her.

I'd have to do more research on the rest of them, but I don't believe the squad's faced the kind of push-back that the party's capable of yet.

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Sure do. Debbie Wasserman Schultz was fired over it. They also dismantled the superdelegate system. Changes were made. The media was still heavily biased against Bernie before the pandemic; probably due to half of their commercials being for drug and insurance companies. I'm just looking forward to a period of relative stability the next four years. #MakePoliticsBoringAgain

The relative stability you want in the next four year, if it comes, will come at the cost of something even worse after. If you want not to have Trumps anymore, you need to get rid of the factors that lead to Trump happening, and that's not going to be done calmly given the opposition of the DNC and other established interests. As a non-american, the best shot you had of establishing long-term stability was Bernie Sa…

Bernie's numbers were huge and dominating with people under 40. It will take a decade or two, but, i think Gen Z and Millenials will finally usher in more progressive change in the Democratic party.
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