This is a difficult post to respond to Firstly, your issue doesn't seem to be anything other than social anxiety If you have to 'lose sleep' after contacting someone on LinkedIn about your product, then you are just not suited to doing a startup Secondly, there is nothing to feel bad about Vast majority of people are not suited to starting a company or working in a small startup Lots of good jobs in middle and large…
> Thirdly, the scale of stuff you are talking about is miniscule > I walked away from a Green Card to start my company > If I didn't succeed, I would have lost access to the developed world FOREVER What? I'm British; before HN I'd never heard of a 'green card'. Maybe it's a policy that the USA won't let you in if you walk away from one once; maybe Canada cares about that too. But I assure you, the majority of the 'de…
After losing my savings as an indie hacker, I can't do it anymore. I quit.
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Re: After losing my savings as an indie hacker, I can't do it anymore. I quit.
#122Technical people both enjoy, and know how to build digital products. But they don't understand that a product is not a business.
A product solves a problem.
A business has a steady stream of customers actively searching to fix that problem (a market) and a set of reliable channels for converting these leads into customers (distribution).
If you're not in a reliable market and have no reliable distribution within that market...you have a product, not a business.
A good way to figure out if you'll enjoy being an entrepreneur is to start building an audience first (namely an email list built through social and blog content). It's all of the vital marketing/sales work and talking to customers you'll need, without burning all your savings on 6 months of product development that might be wasted.
If you don't enjoy building the audience of customers, selling to them, and talking to them, you won't enjoy being an entrepreneur.
Re: After losing my savings as an indie hacker, I can't do it anymore. I quit.
#123Earlier quoted context omitted.
His landing page has a number of grammar issues. > nomadmail is made for normal people: writers, authors, content creators. People who want to write newsletters to another people. If he wanted to have another shot, that's an easy problem to solve to get the ball rolling. Run your copy through a service like "Grammarly" or hemingway, and get it fixed.
Without any intention to sound overly harsh, I sincerely doubt that better grammar could make the project a success. For me this is one of those (typical) examples, of a rather (too) generic tool, solving a problem that is already being successfully solved by a number of other (free) tools. AFAIK, tools like these can sometimes still succeed, if you pick a very specific/narrow niche market and focus all your marketin…
Re: After losing my savings as an indie hacker, I can't do it anymore. I quit.
#124This is a difficult post to respond to Firstly, your issue doesn't seem to be anything other than social anxiety If you have to 'lose sleep' after contacting someone on LinkedIn about your product, then you are just not suited to doing a startup Secondly, there is nothing to feel bad about Vast majority of people are not suited to starting a company or working in a small startup Lots of good jobs in middle and large…
> Thirdly, the scale of stuff you are talking about is miniscule Is it ? So is the lack of empathy. > I would have lost access to the developed world FOREVER No you wouldn't have. You would have temporarily forfeited the ability to _live_ at _one_ rich country. > So just make sure you don't take the wrong feedback from what life is telling you What IS the correct feedback? Certainly not yours.
The way I read the reply is that almost all small businesses fail, almost all startups fail. There is absolutely nothing unique to "indy hacking" in the original post that doesn't apply in general to the small business/independent contractor world, and if you spend any time talking to one of these people, they will have plenty of similar stories. Thus the "well, what did you expect" tone of some of the replies that you seem to take offense to.
The best course of action for low risk tolerance people who don't want to do everything themselves is to find a big company to work for with stable employment that is focused on their core passion, rather than forcing them to deal with customer support, billing, tax issues, HR issues, VISA issues, facilities maintenance, infrastructure, sales, working capital management, and all the other stuff you have to handle on your own if you are running a 1 man shop (or even a small business).
All of the above should be absolutely obvious -- why do you think these big companies have tens of thousands of employees and have dozens of non-developer full time staff for every developer? If you want to do everything yourself, you will need to take on the responsibilities of all these other people.
None of this will ever change, either.
Btw, this was the topic of a nice essay by Joel Spolsky called "The Developer Abstraction Layer". The original author of the post basically lived out the parable in Joel's story. You might want to take a look:
https://www.joelonsoftware.com/2006/04/11/the-development-ab...
Interestingly enough, the theme of Joel's story is that developers take this abstraction layer for granted, and thus end up being shocked when it turns out really hard for the indy developer, who is missing this layer, to do everything for themselves.
Re: After losing my savings as an indie hacker, I can't do it anymore. I quit.
#1251. If money is very pressing, you should save up enough until it isn't. Spending all your saving is obviously going to induce a lot of stress.
Better yet - spend other peoples money. That means raising money, but you'd be surprised how many angle investors or startup programs there are out there, that are willing to seed you with (relatively small amounts of) money. The catch here is that they typically want a very solid business and marketing plan, and will probably turn down typical cookie-cutter ideas (marketplace, social network, etc.).
2. Yes, it's hard to do when bootstrapping yourself,but hire people to do the marketing and sales. These things can and will make or break early startups and businesses.
Let's take he music venue analogy:
Imagine that you want to build the best concert venue in town. You've poured your hard-owned money into it, along with blood, sweat and tears.
Finally the venue is finished - but there's a problem: No one knows about it.
You figure it will pretty much sell itself, and hire in some artists to perform there - but have done zero advertisement or marketing. Concert comes and goes, but no-one showed up - because no-one knew about the concert. Bands and artists still want their money, same goes with utilities and what not.
Point is - if you can't do the sales or marketing yourself, you need to hire someone to do it for you. You're just throwing money into a black hole and getting nothing in return, because potential clients don't even know you exist. If you can't afford someone - anyone - to do that for you, then you probably don't have enough funds to begin with.
edit: It just seems like your biggest troubles stems from the fact that you (seemingly, or due to anxiety) hate sales and marketing yourself, and that your product/segment may have been quite a tough to succeed in.
Re: After losing my savings as an indie hacker, I can't do it anymore. I quit.
#126Earlier quoted context omitted.
Are you seriously shaming them because you think they have social anxiety and you don't think they took a big enough risk?
While the tone may be a bit condescending, what's the shaming? The social anxiety diagnosis seems very realistic to me, and there's no shame in not being suited for starting a company. I am familiar with startup company working, but I'm positively not suited to starting (or being a CEO of) a company, and I don't see any shame in it. To each their own.
There is around here (on Hacker News). If you don't run a company, the entrepreneurs around here don't believe you deserve anything more than a "competitive" salary and a job.
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#127This is a difficult post to respond to Firstly, your issue doesn't seem to be anything other than social anxiety If you have to 'lose sleep' after contacting someone on LinkedIn about your product, then you are just not suited to doing a startup Secondly, there is nothing to feel bad about Vast majority of people are not suited to starting a company or working in a small startup Lots of good jobs in middle and large…
There is around here on HN. Entrepreneurs here view you as, at best, an interchangeable cog who deserves nothing above a job and perhaps a bonus if you help a company succeed.
If you're a really good, perhaps you'll even get to keep your job when the founder walks away with "Fuck You" money.
Is it any surprise someone who wants to succeed feels like they must to become a founder to leave the daily job behind?
Re: After losing my savings as an indie hacker, I can't do it anymore. I quit.
#128I don’t really know your motivation for trying this path, but if that motivation remains or returns, you might want to start with a friend, so you can divide up the efforts. Or perhaps you just decided that this path is not for you — nothing wrong with that!
Good luck either way!
As far as friends go:
I Started my first business with two friends: one was really good at cold calls and asking for things (I.e. orders) — I struggled with that similarly to you. The other was super comfortable asking friends to come work with us. I had other things I contributed — and we all programmed.
For the three of us it turned out to be fun. I am sure none of us could have done it alone.
Re: After losing my savings as an indie hacker, I can't do it anymore. I quit.
#129Earlier quoted context omitted.
Without any intention to sound overly harsh, I sincerely doubt that better grammar could make the project a success. For me this is one of those (typical) examples, of a rather (too) generic tool, solving a problem that is already being successfully solved by a number of other (free) tools. AFAIK, tools like these can sometimes still succeed, if you pick a very specific/narrow niche market and focus all your marketin…
I don't disagree with your comment, and it's not too harsh. I was just thinking that there are some easy things he can work on, perhaps to get him back in the groove, and start rolling to improve the product so it's marketable.
I think he would need either a tremendous marketing capital to reach enough people, or have some superb selling skills, to make a profit.
Maybe I'm just too pessimistic. I certainly do not belong to his target audience, which probably doesn't help.
Re: After losing my savings as an indie hacker, I can't do it anymore. I quit.
#130This is the side project in question: http://nomadmail.io/