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After losing my savings as an indie hacker, I can't do it anymore. I quit.

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Re: After losing my savings as an indie hacker, I can't do it anymore. I quit.

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post #12

Not that this helps the author, but some of the most successful people failed many times before succeeding. In fact, those who fail before becoming successful seem to be better able to repeat success than those who win on the first try. There is a big element of luck in success, so multiple attempts may be necessary even if funding is available.

I think it's important to note that each attempt is a gamble, and not everyone can afford to keep losing.

> I think it's important to note that each attempt is a gamble, and not everyone can afford to keep losing.

This is true, and pretty much always has been. It's also why, despite much propaganda (some know it better by the name of "The American Dream") and a few lucky exceptions, entrepreneurship has mostly been an endeavor of the more privileged, with access to enough funds to make several mistakes (or sometimes multiple in parallel) before hitting a jackpot.

For some reason, this often appears a rather touchy subject, if not a cultural taboo. In particularly in the USA, where many apparently believe that taking a risk as an entrepreneur should somehow result in success if you persevere. Some might even feel almost entitled to it, or so it appears. Which is rather odd, if you'd ever look at the statistics of failed business. Not to mention the many crazy and often totally unrealistic ideas some folks come up with.

Maybe it's all just a product of (cultural) brainwashing, ignorance, or just too much hope on a better live (or desperation about the current one).

EDIT: To be clear, I'm not saying that how the system works is fair. As a personal opinion, on the contrary. But complaining about how things didn't work out as you believed/hoped they should have, is like being angry at a bull for attacking you while being a vegetarian. Neither bull nor the system care.

Re: After losing my savings as an indie hacker, I can't do it anymore. I quit.

#52
post #30
post #3

This is a difficult post to respond to Firstly, your issue doesn't seem to be anything other than social anxiety If you have to 'lose sleep' after contacting someone on LinkedIn about your product, then you are just not suited to doing a startup Secondly, there is nothing to feel bad about Vast majority of people are not suited to starting a company or working in a small startup Lots of good jobs in middle and large…

Ever thought that his anxieties are the result of his failing business and not how he started? And life is telling nothing. There is no guaranteed way of success. You can have all the abilities and knowledge you need and still fail miserably. Luck is a large part of every success story. Nobody has really unique capabilities.

Not to be harsh, but that seems even worse. If you can't handle failures and set backs, you even more so should not be in the start up business because those things are definitely going to happen, a lot, if you are running any sort of business.

Its the same as if you are terrified of heights, being a professional mountain climber is a very bad plan. You either need to get over it somehow quickly or choose a different career.

And there is nothing wrong with that. We all have unique strengths and weaknesses. Success comes from following our strengths not trying to plow through our weaknesses.

Re: After losing my savings as an indie hacker, I can't do it anymore. I quit.

#53
post #37

It sounds like this dude started nearly broke if he wasn't taking any external funding. Doing this stuff self-funded with a nearly nonexistent budget is harder than Hard Mode.

True, I got significantly more in savings than what he started with and that's just my buffer that should last a few months (without downgrading my living while I look for a new job) plus pay for something expensive breaking (in case such unfortunate circumstances come together) without having to sell ETFs. Also, assuming they're from the USA, life is probably more expensive than where I live.

Nevertheless, if that money was enough for them to last a year, that isn't a super small amount of time either. But around the 6-9 months mark, it might have been a good idea to start looking for alternative funding (a regular job, even if it's just a low paying one), especially if there is no social welfare system where you live (if there were, you'd be able to live indefinitely on $0k while you try that self-employment thing; though similarly you wouldn't be going to any restaurants).

Re: After losing my savings as an indie hacker, I can't do it anymore. I quit.

#54
post #8

From another article written by the same author, it looks like the author mainly tried to create two-sided businesses (e.g., markeplaces/social networks): https://www.indiehackers.com/post/how-i-failed-6-side-projec... This is one of the most difficult kinds of business to start. You need to attract both content creators (sellers) and content consumers (buyers). Attracting just one group is hard enough. Attracting bo…

Marketplace platforms are the hardest ffs. a16z's articles breaking down the complexities of those platforms are enough to give me anxiety already.

Re: After losing my savings as an indie hacker, I can't do it anymore. I quit.

#55
post #30
post #3

This is a difficult post to respond to Firstly, your issue doesn't seem to be anything other than social anxiety If you have to 'lose sleep' after contacting someone on LinkedIn about your product, then you are just not suited to doing a startup Secondly, there is nothing to feel bad about Vast majority of people are not suited to starting a company or working in a small startup Lots of good jobs in middle and large…

Ever thought that his anxieties are the result of his failing business and not how he started? And life is telling nothing. There is no guaranteed way of success. You can have all the abilities and knowledge you need and still fail miserably. Luck is a large part of every success story. Nobody has really unique capabilities.

Nobody has really unique capabilities?

Wow.

Re: After losing my savings as an indie hacker, I can't do it anymore. I quit.

#56
That's unfortunate and I've been basically in the same position of yours.

I've written here already about some issues I faced. In my case, I've lost all my savings and much more, but I'll not compare my situation to yours, that would definitely not help you. Only you know your own situation and what you're feeling.

People will say that you might not have what it takes to be a successful startup owner. That may be true, but people often forget that there are other kinds of companies than startups, and you can perform really well even if you don't meet Paul Grahamer criteria for successful founders.

I'm currently working on a regular job and planning to come back within a year or so. But I'm not taking that as a hard requirement -- I'll assess the situation by then and decide if it's really a good idea.

I've come to realize that myself and my weaknesses are really big competitors of mine, and I'll try to manage them properly. I'll separate some money that I won't care too much if I loose -- I believe that that will help me to manage my own anxiety and the truckload of poor decisions I make after months of anxiety and stress.

And I'll hire a salesperson to help me on this. Many say this is bad idea, that you yourself have to sell your product and so and so, and I thank you all for the advice but I'm not following it this time and OK.

I'll work on presenting myself a bit stronger to people. It's interesting how condescending people become when they see that you are performing bad. They start to patronize you and feel overconfident to give terrible ideas. I don't blame them too much but, even to be fair to myself, some pieces of bad advice contributed to make my situation a bit worse.

That's what I'm planning to do, see if it helps.

Re: After losing my savings as an indie hacker, I can't do it anymore. I quit.

#57
post #31
post #3

This is a difficult post to respond to Firstly, your issue doesn't seem to be anything other than social anxiety If you have to 'lose sleep' after contacting someone on LinkedIn about your product, then you are just not suited to doing a startup Secondly, there is nothing to feel bad about Vast majority of people are not suited to starting a company or working in a small startup Lots of good jobs in middle and large…

> the scale of stuff you are talking about is miniscule This is NOT a competition.

It is though. Sorry.

Re: After losing my savings as an indie hacker, I can't do it anymore. I quit.

#58
post #5

I wish there was a better support framework in the US for people who want to quit their jobs and work on ideas. I really, really hate working for other people but the things I would like to work on instead are time-consuming and the core work is not easily farmed out. I'm currently saving up to do just that and its like, "I could buy a house with this money" or "I could go on sabbatical with this money", or "I could…

> I wish there was a better support framework in the US for people who want to quit their jobs and work on ideas. I really, really hate working for other people but the things I would like to work on instead are time-consuming and the core work is not easily farmed out.

I'm sorry, did I misread you or are you saying that work for hire is beneath you and so you you should be able to work on your ideas (which are all brilliant, no doubt), while being supported by other people, aka peons?

Re: After losing my savings as an indie hacker, I can't do it anymore. I quit.

#59
This is almost exactly where I find myself right now!

I've spent a year and half building out something that i can see bringing value and enjoyment to a wide swath of people.

I just flail hard at the thought of putting myself out there to market it. My personal problem though is "its not good enough yet" and I just stop. A lot of advice here says "its just not for you" but I dont entirely believe that.

I've enjoyed creation, autonomy, and the freedom to define my path. There was to be a way to get out of your own way...

Re: After losing my savings as an indie hacker, I can't do it anymore. I quit.

#60
The dream is free, but the hustle is sold separately.

I can't tell you how many things I tried and failed. It really doesn't matter if it's a start up or not either, plenty of people put everything into new jobs including moving and failing sucks just as much.

I finally figured out how to succeed but it was a difficult and deeply personal struggle that took a long time.

There are still times I just want to pack it all in and give up.

Infact I just had a meltdown a month or so ago and almost sold off everything. I think it's a part of my personality to never be completely satisfied.

Lastly I chuckled a bit when I read about him feeling bad about his girlfriend, at least he still has one! He should be thankful that she stuck around and should show her the appreciation she deserves for supporting him.

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