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The Prestige Trap: finance, big tech, and consulting

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Re: The Prestige Trap: finance, big tech, and consulting

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Big size, low barrier to entry (especially at SDE-1 level) Source: work at Amazon

I'm also an SDE1 at Amazon and find this extremely insulting, what the hell man

> find this extremely insulting, what the hell man

I find it somewhat astonishing that you would be extremely insulted by the exclusion of your employer from some arbitrary acronym.

It's well known that Amazon hiring standards are the lowest of FAANG, just like G's hiring standards are lower than N (as a whole). That doesn't mean that everyone who is an SDE1 at Amazon is less talented than everyone who is an L3 at Google, it's just different means.

Re: The Prestige Trap: finance, big tech, and consulting

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I'm also an SDE1 at Amazon and find this extremely insulting, what the hell man

> find this extremely insulting, what the hell man I find it somewhat astonishing that you would be extremely insulted by the exclusion of your employer from some arbitrary acronym. It's well known that Amazon hiring standards are the lowest of FAANG, just like G's hiring standards are lower than N (as a whole). That doesn't mean that everyone who is an SDE1 at Amazon is less talented than everyone who is an L3 at Go…

The whole 20% comment makes me think you’re being a little disingenuous about the idea that we are not less talented.

Re: The Prestige Trap: finance, big tech, and consulting

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Yup, every cs majors I know think super highly of Stripe. I don't know what students the author is talking to. Khan Academy is sought after in the cs student community as well. although won't be first choice for many.

>Yup, every cs majors I know think super highly of Stripe Also wondering, why? A 2.6+% merchant fee payment processor?

As a place to work at. Presumed High caliber engineering colleagues (party due to size and growth), especially because there is a lot of hype for Stripe and its documentation and process among tech professionals.

High potential for stocks rising at IPO, like Snowflake (although there seems to a value cap) so kids are not as excited about it as Databricks.

Re: The Prestige Trap: finance, big tech, and consulting

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Yup, every cs majors I know think super highly of Stripe. I don't know what students the author is talking to. Khan Academy is sought after in the cs student community as well. although won't be first choice for many.

Why? It’s a payment processor so there is little reason to know of it compared to the other FAANG companies. Facebook has a quarter of the worlds population active on it. Google has most of the search and is responsible for Android, which is the most popular mobile OS in the world. Amazon broad cloud computing mainstream and now controls a huge chunk of the world compute because of it. Apple effectively defined the s…

You mean like knowledge of Stripe at all? It is popular among highly motivated students.

It is less mainstream so exclusivity increases the demand factor.

Amazon's work culture is not very positively seen. Facebook's product is often seen negatively upon although not that much. Google is seen positively.

Some of it is tied into recruiting as well. Apple has a very opaque intern and new grad recruiting process. Netflix simply doesn't hire SWE interns and newgrads.

For Stripe, Presumed High caliber engineering colleagues (party due to size and growth), especially because there is a lot of hype for Stripe and its documentation and process among tech professionals.

High potential for stocks rising at IPO, like Snowflake (although there seems to a value cap) so kids are not as excited about it as Databricks.

Re: The Prestige Trap: finance, big tech, and consulting

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> find this extremely insulting, what the hell man I find it somewhat astonishing that you would be extremely insulted by the exclusion of your employer from some arbitrary acronym. It's well known that Amazon hiring standards are the lowest of FAANG, just like G's hiring standards are lower than N (as a whole). That doesn't mean that everyone who is an SDE1 at Amazon is less talented than everyone who is an L3 at Go…

The whole 20% comment makes me think you’re being a little disingenuous about the idea that we are not less talented.

I am not being at all disingenuous in any of the statements I'm making.

The "20% comment" was the one above me, I was just responding to it.

The average Amazon engineer is less talented than the average Google engineer. That is what I was saying. I wasn't making any claim about how talented you are or aren't!

Re: The Prestige Trap: finance, big tech, and consulting

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> What's the rush? FIRE is one reason. External validation is one reason. Life after school nonclarity is one reason (this ticks a box). Even if you have ideas to start a new company or venture, there is the brand value(e.g you will see many article like "Ex-FAANG employee quit their XXX,XXX 6-figure job to pursue Y) Lots of PR value there. Many new startups literally use the fact that their current employees previou…

I have yet to meet a funded startup (YC or otherwise) that wouldn’t match the cash component of salary to within $20k of a FAANG salary+RSU schedule, so long as you have said offer in hand when negotiating (and thus, the equity becomes much more of potential bonus than lottery ticket you depend on ). Maybe pre-seed-stage startups pay much less, but I really haven’t run into any issues around feeling like I’m missing…

Those startup are equally (if not harder) to get in. So I am not sure what you are trying to compare against.

> people who have actually affected my life have heard of it

I mean that is probably true and will be true for many. This also means that you are in a social network of people who are sort of knowledgable and somewhat well off.

I am sure the undergrad education at Grinnell or Haverford is on average pretty much the same at Harvard or Princeton. More so with computer science, nobody is learning more exclusive algorithms at these more name brand schools.

But clearly, you can't deny the name brand factor that positively influences many other ventures.

Re: The Prestige Trap: finance, big tech, and consulting

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The whole 20% comment makes me think you’re being a little disingenuous about the idea that we are not less talented.

I am not being at all disingenuous in any of the statements I'm making. The "20% comment" was the one above me, I was just responding to it. The average Amazon engineer is less talented than the average Google engineer. That is what I was saying. I wasn't making any claim about how talented you are or aren't!

The exclude amazon is the issue - I’m sorry but do you not see the contradiction in the last 3 sentences? When you make broad generalizations like that you’re also broadly calling people like me lesser. You realize that right?

Re: The Prestige Trap: finance, big tech, and consulting

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I don't think a lot of people know what they want. There is just as much guessing as to which job to take as employers have choosing who to hire. Taking the most prestigious or most compensation is the safest bet, given that you don't really know what you want to do other than 'I like coding and interesting problems'. Partly I think that Harvard students have been adapted to seek prestige (else they probably wouldn't…

One of the key takeaways from the social sciences is that people are really bad at estimating what will make them happy. Even those who have a plan for what they want are often drastically wrong about how it'll make them feel in the long run.

I've often wondered if happiness is something akin to grasping sand, that the harder we pursue it the more elusive it becomes and that rather we happen upon it as we try for things that are meaningful or even just being content with what is already.

Re: The Prestige Trap: finance, big tech, and consulting

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The problem with prestige is that you, yourself, may not care about it, but those around it still do and still use it for social signaling. That affects the rationality of the decisions you make around your career in serious ways. I think one of the problems around targeting prestige vs. targeting excellence is that we know what it takes to do something prestigious, but excellence is hard to define, and generally com…

>That compounds the material risk of doing these ventures with a social risk

I think part of the issue here is that people may be talking about optimizing different risks. For example, minimizing financial risk may lead to wholly different decisions than, say, minimizing the risk that you will have a fulfilling careers. At times, they may even be orthogonal.

I don't actually think "excellence" is that hard to define. It basically boils down to effectiveness at solving organizational problems (and those may not always be technical in nature). The difficulty is when the problems the individual values doesn't align with what society values. If you can build excellence at a problem highly valued by society, you might be able to have high-status as well. Jonas Salk comes to mind, even though he didn't necessary get financial success.

I personally think the "high prestige" path is followed because there is a clearer template. I couldn't find the excerpt from William Deresiewicz's book, but I remember a quote from a student who was relaying why some from elite colleges struggle upon graduation. The gist was that from kindergarten to college graduation to accepting their first post-graduation job, there was a relatively clear cut template of moving from scholastic excellence, strong extra-curriculars, elite internships, etc. But after graduating and accepting a job at one of the few "prestigious" fields like law, finance, medicine, or consulting. there was no longer a well-defined template and many struggle to know what to do next.

Re: The Prestige Trap: finance, big tech, and consulting

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> I don't think a lot of people know what they want. > Just a lack of other goals for which to substitute. Ding ding. I've mentored students/grads from aforementioned prestigious Universities and most of them just genuinely don't know what they want After a few drinks, many have voiced a fear of there being so many options in life and not knowing which would be more fulfilling for them. Many reach a goal (graduation~…

I agree that many people don’t know what they want. However, I think this is less about emulation and more about improving ones options while figuring that out. Consulting, Finance, and Bigtech offer a combination of rapid salary growth, low career risk, and a resume item that almost ensures that you pass the CV stage at every future interview. If you’re unsure about your path it is a great way to ensure you have man…

"Often it is inertia rather than greed that is the driving force behind choosing these majors and careers (although we might assume high beginning salaries would also have something to do with it). Rather than risking the loss of the praise that their psyches have, at this point, been conditioned to need, students lose themselves in the pack and follow a well-worn path. They play it safe. They feel almost forced to choose a career that isn’t “beneath” them" [1]

I think that risk-aversion is part of what keeps people from choosing what they really want to do.

[1] https://academyedstudies.files.wordpress.com/2015/06/jonesro...

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