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Re: Conservatives flock to Parler, claiming censorship on Facebook and Twitter

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Post by Consultant32452 »

tshaddox wrote: post #676
Consultant32452 wrote: post #518

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I take the contrarian viewpoint here. I think the division is good. There's no reason people in the valley should have to live by the cultural rules of the people in Jackson Mississippi or vice versa. That's exactly what happens right now under our political system. The US has at least two distinct cultures and the more they grow to despise one another the sooner we can have an amicable divorce and allow each group t…

Sounds nice, but obviously that “amicable divorce” is extremely difficult to imagine.

The UK is in the process of a nonviolent divorce with Brexit.

Re: Conservatives flock to Parler, claiming censorship on Facebook and Twitter

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Post by ttt0 »

gameswithgo wrote: post #649
0x445442 wrote: post #498

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The problem is when Reddit shuts down r/conservative because they don't agree with the opinions on the sub.

why is that the problem? r/conservative can start any club they like. reddit can run any business they like.

It's a problem, because it doesn't end here. Even if you make your own service, once your "club" gains too much traction you are still going to be deplatformed by domain registers, DDoS protection services, payment processors etc.

It's also a free speech issue. The main purpose of free speech is the ability to criticize your government and social media have obviously a huge influence on elections. As we move towards more and more lockdowns, where you won't be even able to just go out and speak your mind to the public, the social media will become the only way of communication. If you are not allowed to speak freely on those platforms and be able to actually make a change, it will render the free speech laws completely useless and you might as well repeal them at this point. Free speech laws should apply to social media.

You might not agree with the ideas that are being censored right now, but sooner or later they will come after you too.

Re: Conservatives flock to Parler, claiming censorship on Facebook and Twitter

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Post by jelliclesfarm »

holler wrote: post #716
jelliclesfarm wrote: post #690

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I long for the old IRC days...when you can open a room on DalNet and talk to a small group of like minded people about what you are interested in and curious about..invite/kick those who get obnoxious. It was cozy and I’d give anything to get an online community where we all get along and where it’s ok to be open to new ideas. Most of the BBS and IRC rooms I frequented had little to no moderation. Flamewars occurred,…

I miss those days too! I used to spend a lot of time in #efnet and #dalnet, speaking to strangers about things like #skateboarding and other random topics. It was kind of cool because back then most people didn't know what irc was, nor did they have the prowess to download, install, and configure a client. Mirc was the jam. I'm working on a new open chat site, https://sqwok.im , and hoping to recapture some of that e…

Checked it out. I like the simplicity of the design. The font/size is a little odd for my eyes but I can get used to it.(maybe because I am seeing it on my phone)

I am unsure tho how to navigate to get to the chat rooms.

ETA: ahhh! I got it! Will there be some form of indexing?

Eta2: can I describe it this way: the author of a topic of discussion is the moderator of the topic?

Re: Conservatives flock to Parler, claiming censorship on Facebook and Twitter

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Post by robswc »

adjkant wrote: post #143
robswc wrote: post #109

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To be fair, I've largely stopped using twitter due to the incessant politics, pretty much what you described above but just in a different flavor. Ironically manipulating elections was one of those "incessant" topics, however it was all coming from a completely different crowd then (around when I left). I also remember seeing a ton of racism against whites and (ironically) anti-semitic comments and conspiracies that…

> pretty much what you described above but just in a different flavor I'd love to see what part of twitter would be merely a different flavor to "Jews are secretly lizard people manipulating the elections". There's an important difference between the mere existence of an echo chamber and the contents of the chamber. Let's not "both sides" this when comparing to anti-semitism.

>a different flavor to "Jews are secretly lizard people manipulating the elections".

ahah, just a little funny because it literally is ironically "Jewish people keep us down because reasons" - admittedly, I don't know too much because I didn't get into it but its still just as absurd.

If you want just a taste, look at how much "support" Nick Cannon has on twitter.

I just typed on twitter "nick cannon fired" and like the 3rd tweet down: https://twitter.com/UGHKYNZ/status/1290516640925442048

Someone complaining he got fired for racism, then they literally just say "I hate white people"

this is the 5th tweet: https://twitter.com/answerasiaf/status/1295029696896409600

Thinks nick cannon got fired for "telling the truth" -- and what is that truth? Apparently it is "Jewish people, white people, Europeans" — “are a little less" and have a “deficiency” that historically caused them to act out of fear and commit acts of violence to survive."

It gets worse the more you go down the rabbit hole but I'd argue this is just as bad as the lizard people stuff because it is less outlandish, perhaps making it more "believable" for some.

If you really want, I can go through and find the tweets that had thousands of upvotes, defending the antisemitism and "discussing" how Jews control everything (especially sports and music).

>There's an important difference between the mere existence of an echo chamber and the contents of the chamber. Let's not "both sides" this when comparing to anti-semitism.

I can agree on this. The problem is the contents of the twitter echo chamber are pretty bad too and its only seems to have gotten worse.

Re: Conservatives flock to Parler, claiming censorship on Facebook and Twitter

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Post by AnimalMuppet »

BrianOnHN wrote: post #695
thelastname wrote: post #692

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Your diverse group isn't very diverse.

Why? Because it's missing hate groups?

Because it's missing half the country, many of whom are not part of hate groups.

Re: Conservatives flock to Parler, claiming censorship on Facebook and Twitter

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Post by forest_dweller »

renewiltord wrote: post #738
forest_dweller wrote: post #696

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I didn't know that strawmanning is the way to the truth /sarcasm. I put conspircy theorists in quotes because the news organisations label people as such when they look away from an official narrative. This is known as dissent. If you are an American your country is founded on dissent. That why I gave you the the Rothbard quote (not a conspiracy theorist btw but an Anarcho Capitalist) because it specifically talks ab…

I'm not interested in who large media say are dissenters or conspiracy theorists because I can make that judgment myself: it being trivial on first listen. Like I don't actually need someone to tell me Qanon dudes are crazy. I just have to listen to the Qanon dudes themselves. Of course they are convinced they are dissenters exposing the corruption in Big Pizza. Heroes, I'm sure. That's the funny part. You keep bring…

> I'm not interested in who large media say are dissenters or conspiracy theorists because I can make that judgment myself: it being trivial on first listen.

Yet you are repeating exactly the same things as they do in the same manner by focusing on the crazy people.

I have said many times in this thread that are always those that are on the fridge and they do not represent the whole.

Dismissing all dissent (which is what you are doing) as crazy people is wholly disingenous.

> Like I don't actually need someone to tell me Qanon dudes are crazy. I just have to listen to the Qanon dudes themselves. Of course they are convinced they are dissenters exposing the corruption in Big Pizza. Heroes, I'm sure.

Again you keep on strawmanning by saying that everyone is a crazy and ignoring the very prescient point about dissent. It is very tiresome when people engage like you do.

> That's the funny part. You keep bringing up this Big Media Telling You Who Is Real thing like Big Brother is in charge when I kinda don't really need Big Brother.

Then why are you repeating what they say point for point? Odd that.

> When this guy comes walking up to me saying that Joe Biden has a secret sex dungeon where he keeps children he abuses that he farms using mutant tadpoles

I am 100% certain this event didn't happen. So you are basing your stance on a falsehood. That must be fallacious.

Re: Conservatives flock to Parler, claiming censorship on Facebook and Twitter

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Post by dane-pgp »

mensetmanusman wrote: post #344
grey-area wrote: post #110

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2020, or more likely 2016 will perhaps be seen as a turning point in the fortunes of the US Republic, when the democracy began to unravel, the law was used as a weapon against enemies, and the rule of law was replaced by mob rule with different factions warring in the streets. The parallels between the US at this moment and pre-war Europe or Rome at the time of the Catiline conspiracy are striking - the centre cannot…

Historians actually point to Vietnam as the point when the average American gave up on their government. Once that happened, the government gave up on the average American, allowed middle class jobs to disappear, and spent more time joining global virtue signaling parties and subsidizing bombs in Yemen than fixing lead pipes in cities.

> more time joining global virtue signaling parties

Could you give some examples of these parties and an estimate of how much time was spent on them? I could try to guess what you're referring to, but I don't want to put words into your mouth.

(An uncharitable interpretation of what you said would lead me to believe that you're objecting not to "virtue signaling" but to virtue itself, which is not a helpful assumption for me to make).

Re: Conservatives flock to Parler, claiming censorship on Facebook and Twitter

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Post by chrisseaton »

FroshKiller wrote: post #640
chrisseaton wrote: post #200

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People seem to get furious about being blocked. I’ve seen people post publicly the name of the person who blocked them demanding an explanation. It seems to escalate things rather than calm them down.

I published all my blocks with rationales to whyiblockedyou.com for a while. Then I decided to get serious about just banning networks of white nationalists en masse instead of blocking one user at a time.

Do you block people just for using promoted Tweets in any way?

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Post by webmaven »

mistermann wrote: post #561
giantg2 wrote: post #504

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Except for the people who simply downvote and never explain their position. Plenty of them on here.

It's so interesting...there is this well known phenomenon where ~everyone has at least some bias the vast majority of the time, and in a forum thread where this phenomenon is the specific topic of discussion (say, a psychology paper discussing subconscious bias, and the associated psychological/neurological phenomena that enable it), any significant disagreement (including whether each one of us suffers from it) with…

You don't really have to get that detailed, simply observe that everyone agrees marketing works, but no-one thinks it works on them.

Re: Conservatives flock to Parler, claiming censorship on Facebook and Twitter

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Post by polytely »

AnimalMuppet wrote: post #745
BrianOnHN wrote: post #695

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Why? Because it's missing hate groups?

Because it's missing half the country , many of whom are not part of hate groups.

I'm not American, so I don't really care about missing half the country.
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